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Davies wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:18 pm My guess is that Speed's ability to pass through objects is actually inherited from his father, rather than a speed trick. And before you say it, magic.
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH- yeah, that definitely makes sense. I didn't even think of that, because his powers were all so Quicksilver-like. Good call!
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drkrash wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:09 pm I hate both Wiccan and Hulkling. I think their names are stupid (all 3 of them), their visual designs are boring (especially Hulkling), and because I don't like the character, I find Hulkling's backstory annoying (where I will admit the exact same story could have been put on a different character and I might have found it interesting).

Blech. Let's move on to Hawkeye.
Dangit- that's the one I was going to save for a "Hawkeye" set, but I GUESS I'll post her now :P.
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Davies wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:18 pm My guess is that Speed's ability to pass through objects is actually inherited from his father, rather than a speed trick. And before you say it, magic.
Correct. As I mentioned in the Quicksilver profile, Pietro could vibrate though items. This has been around for quite a long while--probably like 35 years our time.
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Iron Lad

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IRON LAD (Nathaniel "Nate" Richards, aka Kid Immortus)
Created By:
Allan Heinberg & Jim Cheung
First Appearance: Young Avengers #1 (April 2005)
Role: Team Shapeshifter, Powerhouse
Group Affiliations: The Young Avengers
PL 8 (146)
STRENGTH
1/9 STAMINA 2 AGILITY 3
FIGHTING 7 DEXTERITY 4
INTELLIGENCE 7 AWARENESS 2 PRESENCE 3

Skills:
Deception 3 (+6)
Expertise (Science) 5 (+12)
Perception 3 (+5)
Technology 7 (+14)

Advantages:
Inventor, Ranged Attack 2

Powers:
"Nuerokinetic Armor" (Flaws: Removable) (Feats: Remote Controlled, Restricted 2- Only Nate) [66]
Enhanced Strength 8 (16)
Protection 7 (Extras: Impervious 5) (12)
Flight 8 (500 mph) (16)
"Alter Appearance" Morph 2 (Flaws: Limited to Armor's Appearance) (8)

Energy Blast 10 (Feats: Variable 2- Any Energy, Split) (23) -- (26)
  • AE: "Magnetic Fields" Move Object 10 (20)
  • AE: Movement 3 (Time Travel 3) (6)
  • AE: "Hacking" Communication (Electronic) 2 (10)
-- (78 points)

Offense:
Unarmed +7 (+9 Damage, DC 24)
Blasts +6 (+10 Ranged Damage, DC 25)
Initiative +3

Defenses:
Dodge +7 (DC 17), Parry +7 (DC 17), Toughness +2 (+9 Armor, +3 Impervious), Fortitude +4, Will +5

Complications:
Enemy (Kang)
Motivation (Not Becoming Kang)- Nathaniel was greatly disturbed to realize he would be a world-conquering dictator, and fought to stop it. He failed.
Relationship (Cassie Lang)- Iron Lad's love for Cassie makes him intensely jealous of Vision III- enough to kill him for it.

Total: Abilities: 58 / Skills: 18--9 / Advantages: 3 / Powers: 66 / Defenses: 9 (146)

-You know, I was JUST thinking a while ago that Kang The Conqueror's history just wasn't complicated enough, and could use a few more examples of time travel, retroactive continuity and altered history. And hey! Here comes Iron Lad, the 16 year-old version of Kang, who was horrified when his future self went back in time to inspire him with stories of how he'd grow into a Conqueror of Time, and endeavored to team up with The Avengers to stop... himself. He went back in time, but discovered that the A-team had disbanded, and so he had to build one up with random teenagers with similar names (because that's a perfect strategy). He copies Iron Man's armor and hooks up with Stature, turning into the team's leader. Eventually, he kills Kang, but this messes with time (Jessica Jones loses her baby, and Wiccan & Hulkling disappear), so he has to go back into the future and become Kang anyways (jesus...). He apologizes to Stature and disappears, with a new Vision copying his brain patterns and joining the Young Avengers team instead. Iron Lad thus disappears from the book.

-In The Children's Crusade, Iron Lad returns- Vision III has since gotten together with Stature in his stead, and Iron Lad now protects Wanda Maximoff, figuring her too important to the timeline for Wolverine to kill. When Stature is killed by Doctor Doom at the story's end, Iron Lad suggests bringing her back to his own time to save her life; Vision III, based off of his own brain patterns, figures this as a "Kang Move" and fights to stop it, but Iron Lad, jealous over his relationship with Cassie, instead KILLS HIM! His horrified teammates disgustedly tell him that this is probably the event that leads to him becoming Kang the Conqueror, to which he spitefully replies "I will be better than Kang" and disappears. Nate reappears later as "Kid Immortus" (playing off of the Kang/Immortus split), but later teams up with Kang AND Immortus to hold Captain America prisoner so that he can't interfere with the Illuminati's plan to save Earth by destroying numberous worlds in the build-up to Secret Wars. Cap manages to escape, but the world is rebooted anyways. Nate returns as Iron Lad much later, showing up in 2018 in the new Exiles series alongside Blink, but the book is rapidly cancelled.

-Overall, this character adds an unnecessary wrinkle to an already overly complicated character, but he's at least an interesting concept- what if a villain found out he was going to be a villain when he was younger and innocent, and attempted to stop it? But seriously, adding Iron Lad to a guy who's already Kang AND Immortus is just a terrible idea. "Iron Lad" is a goofy, DC Silver Age-style name, too, and made him look like a cheap copy.

-Eventually a Cosmic Cube splits up Vision & Iron Lad, because why NOT make a nine-year old character's backstory more confusing than friggin' Spider-Man's? He eventually kills Vision III when he suggest resurrecting Cassie, the girl they both love, because NOW Time Travel to fix things is apparently wrong. He ends up in Matt Fraction's FF, allying with Doctor Doom and a young Ravonna (the younger version of FUTURE future Kang's main squeeze).

-Overall, Iron Lad is just a low-rent, PL 8 version of Iron Man, but could have any number of gadgets on him, owing to his position in the timestream.
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Kang is also Rama-Tut (an early Spider-Man villain), the Scarlet Centurion (never really explained, apparently either a "branching timeline" version created by a paradox AND/OR an interim identity between Kang and Immortus), and also an alternate version of Dr. Doom (just called "Doom"), as well as somehow being related to both Reed Richards and Victor Von Doom, which is at least sort of okay given that he was born several centuries in the future. Then there's the Council of Cross-Time Kangs...

Yeah, the character just needs to not be used for awhile. Kang got way too complicated over the years, and since the "rules" of time-travel change with every writer who uses him, the stories just get incredibly confusing to keep straight.

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greycrusader wrote: Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:26 am Kang is also Rama-Tut (an early Spider-Man villain), the Scarlet Centurion (never really explained, apparently either a "branching timeline" version created by a paradox AND/OR an interim identity between Kang and Immortus)
At least when The Scarlet Centurion isn't his son, who actually turns out to be a clone, maybe a clone of Kang himself.

In fact it gets even more complicated then that.

So in Avengers Annual 2 (from 1967) Kang as the Scarlet Centurion put the Avengers versus the Avengers, creating a new divergent timeline called Earth 689. When the Avengers banished him from Earth 689 they accidentally created a temporal divergence, to Earth 712, the Earth of the Squadron Supreme.

So the Squadron Supreme Scarlet Centurion is actually a version of the true Kang of Earth 616.... Except you know, successful.
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AWESOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMME- DarkerEve did a fantastic drawing of Cassandra from Tangled: The Series.

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The Vision (His Name Is Jonas)

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THE VISION III ("Jonas")
Created By:
Allan Heinberg & Jim Cheung
First Appearance: The Young Avengers #?? (2005-06)
Role: Learning To Be Human, Weak Replacement
Group Affiliations: The Young Avengers, The Avengers (Mighty)
Avengers Grade: D-Level
PL 9 (211)
STRENGTH
8/12 STAMINA 10 AGILITY 2
FIGHTING 6 DEXTERITY 0
INTELLIGENCE 4 AWARENESS 1 PRESENCE 2

Skills:
Deception 5 (+5)
Expertise (Current Events) 2 (+6)
Expertise (Science) 4 (+8)
Insight 3 (+4)
Perception 4 (+5)
Ranged Combat (Solar Blast) 4 (+8)
Stealth 2 (+4)
Technology 4 (+8)
Vehicles 2 (+2)

Advantages:
Beginner's Luck, Interpose, Jack-of-All-Trades, Languages (Various), Ranged Attack 4

Powers:
"Datalink" Communication 1 (Computers) [4]
Regeneration 2 [2]
Quickness 4 (Flaws: Limited to Mental Tasks) [2]
Immunity 11 (Aging, Life Support) [11]
Senses 2 (Extended & Infravision) [2]
Movement 3 (Time Travel 3) [6]

Low Density (41) -- [42]
  • AE: High Density (38)
"Physical Disruption" Affliction 12 (Fort; Dazed/Stunned/Incapacitated) (Feats: Dynamic) (Extras: Cumulative, Affects Corporeal) (37) -- [41]
  • AE: "Damaging Disruption" Damage 11 (Feats: Dynamic, Penetrating 6) (Extras: Affects Corporeal) (29)
  • AE: "Solar Blast" Blast 10 (20)
  • AE: Illusion 8 (Visuals) (16)
  • AE: "Shapeshifting" Variable 2 (Form Powers) (14)
"High Density"
Enhanced Strength 4 (8)
"Immovable" Enhanced Strength 3 (Flaws: Limited to Resisting Movement) (3)
Protection 2 (Extras: Impervious 13) (15)
Protection 6 (Flaws: Immobile -2) (2)
Enhanced Advantages 1: Withstand Damage (Trade Defenses For Toughness) (1)
-- (35 points)

"Low Density"
Insubstantial 4 (Feats: Precise) (21)
Enhanced Skills 8: Stealth 8 (+14) (4)
Enhanced Advantages 4: Evasion 2, Improved Defense, Uncanny Dodge (4)
Flight 4 (30 mph) (8)
Enhanced Dodge & Parry 2 (4)
-- (41 points)

Offense:
Unarmed +6 (+8 Damage, DC 23)
High Density +6 (+12 Damage, DC 27)
Physical Disruption +6 (+12 Affliction, DC 22)
Damaging Disruption +6 (+11 Damage, DC 26)
Initiative +2

Defenses:
Dodge +6 (+8 Low Density, DC 16-18), Parry +6 (+8 Low Density, DC 16-18), Toughness +10 (+12 High Density, +8 Impervious), Fortitude +12, Will +8

Complications:
Power Loss (Solar Blast)- The Vision requires solar energy to power his blasts- if left without, he will lose power.
Weakness (Android Body- Despite being humanlike in construction, The Vision's body is different enough to require specialists beyond mere medical training if he is injured.
Relationship (Cassie Lang)- Jonas believes that Cassie is his one true love.

Total: Abilities: 66 / Skills: 30--15 / Advantages: 8 / Powers: 110 / Defenses: 12 (211)

-This is one of the reasons I really had no interesting in the Young Avenger- his backstory is a total mess. The third Vision is based off of Iron Lad's armour and Iron Lad & Vision's thought waves (Iron Lad being a younger version of Kang the Conqueror), but designed himself like The Vision. That's a little... overly complicated for my liking, especially since Vizh is one of the more iconic then-dead Avengers and this guy doesn't really have much of a link to him. Never mind that some writers assumed it WAS the same character, and wrote him as such, while others treated him like a new guy, with his own personality (Heinberg, the creator, was one of these). I mean, Bendis writing a guy however he felt like was nothing new, but ED BRUBAKER didn't realized it. He acts as the team's mentor, but as he has Iron Lad's thoughts, he relates more to young people, and thus fits in with them. Also, it turns out he has a crush on Cassie Lang, who returns his feelings. Finally, he adopts the name "Jonas" and confesses his feelings for her.

-Jonas later joins the Mighty Avengers alongside Cassie, but quits to rejoin the Young Avengers. When Cassie is killed at the end of The Children's Crusade, Iron Lad attempts to take her into the future to be saved; Jonas, instead of agreeing, decides that this is something KANG would do, and resists the attempt. In a fit of jealous anger, Iron Lad kills him and disappears. His teammates consider rebuilding him, but both lack the ability and tech, as well as the desire to tell him about Cassie's death all over again. And so the character disappeared for good, never reappearing with his teammates elsewherer. As The Vision returned, and even added MORE Legacy Characters to his name, the third Vision is likely gone for good... until someone randomly brings him back again.

-The third Vision's got all of Vision's powers, plus some junk of his own, making him a VERY expensive PL 9 hero with a metric ton of abilities.
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saint_matthew wrote: Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:29 am
greycrusader wrote: Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:26 am Kang is also Rama-Tut (an early Spider-Man villain), the Scarlet Centurion (never really explained, apparently either a "branching timeline" version created by a paradox AND/OR an interim identity between Kang and Immortus)
At least when The Scarlet Centurion isn't his son, who actually turns out to be a clone, maybe a clone of Kang himself.

In fact it gets even more complicated then that.

So in Avengers Annual 2 (from 1967) Kang as the Scarlet Centurion put the Avengers versus the Avengers, creating a new divergent timeline called Earth 689. When the Avengers banished him from Earth 689 they accidentally created a temporal divergence, to Earth 712, the Earth of the Squadron Supreme.

So the Squadron Supreme Scarlet Centurion is actually a version of the true Kang of Earth 616.... Except you know, successful.
I actually mis-remembered about Rama-Tut; he's an early Fantastic Four villain, though Kang's second appearance pitted Spider-Man against Kang, some silliness with the time-traveler using a robot duplicate to fool the Avengers into battling the web-slinger, And there was a "What If" story which showed there was at least one more divergent timeline involving the Scarlet Centurion succeeding in his original foray, and Avengers Forever (actually a pretty kick-ass series) ended with Immortus "diverging" from Kang, so the 616 version doesn't end up becoming the Lord of Limbo...

This is why time travel should just be a plot device used to take heroes into exotic future or past locales, or be an "origin story" of sorts. Once all these silly divergences and paradoxes are allowed, everything just gets to be a mess, really quickly. It doesn't help that writers (comic book and otherwise) use it in all kinds of ridiculous ways-there was absolute mess of a Avengers arc recently where Kang and his minions had weapons that "stole the future" of living beings-some of his lackeys used these weapons on an alien world on a tribe of primates, ensuring they wouldn't evolve into sapient species of scientists and artists and would just remain apes. Because, y'know, that's totally how evolution works. And "stopping" evolution lets you "mine temporal energy".

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Yeah, I've never been a fan of Kang personally. Though I did think Iron Lad' s connection to him was interesting as a "teenaged rebellion" angle.
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LOl- "The Tattooed Man"? What kind of ABSOLUTE DILDO would refer to himself as "The Tattooed Man" :P!?!
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Tattooedman wrote: Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:47 pm Yeah, I've never been a fan of Kang personally. Though I did think Iron Lad' s connection to him was interesting as a "teenaged rebellion" angle.
I do also enjoy that trope of the person with access to time travel going down a slippery slope of preventing a "bad" future. You start out going back and shifting your grandfather's keys to make sure your family invests in Apple stock at the right time and before you know it, you're walking away from a burning orphanage as you send orders to commence genocide in a small South American country.

Timecrimes has a slightly less extreme measure where a man, mistakenly thinking his past self is a crazed killer, winds up committing murder himself, and then tries to fix it, creating a stable time loop.
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Basically that old Greek Tragedy bit about how the act of trying to prevent a future tragedy instead causes it to happen.
"My heart is as light as a child's, a feeling I'd nearly forgotten. And by helping those in need, I will be able to keep that feeling alive."
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I also feel like there's a couple similarties with Kamen Rider Zi-O, though entirely coincidential, since that show came out much later.
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Patriot (Bradley)

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PATRIOT II (Eli Bradley)
Created By:
Allan Heinberg & Jim Cheung
First Appearance: Young Avengers #1 (April 2005)
Role: Bad-Ass Normal
Group Affiliations: The Young Avengers
PL 8 (117)
STRENGTH
7 STAMINA 8 AGILITY 6
FIGHTING 7 DEXTERITY 4
INTELLIGENCE 0 AWARENESS 0 PRESENCE 1

Skills:
Acrobatics 2 (+8)
Athletics 5 (+11)
Close Combat (Unarmed) 1 (+9)
Deception 4 (+5)
Insight 2 (+2)
Intimidation 2 (+3)
Perception 2 (+2)

Advantages:
Close Attack, Equipment 2 (Throwing Stars- Blast 3- Multiattack), Great Endurance, Improved Initiative, Ranged Attack 4

Powers:
"Bulletproof" Impervious Toughness 7 [7]
Leaping 4 (120 feet) [4]
Speed 5 (60 mph) [5]

"Triangular Shield" (Feats: Restricted to Those Trained) (Flaws: Easily Removable) [12]
Enhanced Advantages 2: Evasion, Withstand Damage (2)
"Shield Toss" Strength-Damage +1 (Feats: Dynamic, Split 2) (Extras: Ranged 8) (Diminished Range -1) (11) -- (15)
  • Dynamic AE: "Shield Bash" Strength-Damage +1 (Extras: Penetrating 2) (3)
  • Dynamic AE: Enhanced Dodge 1 & Parry 1 (Extras: Sustained +0) Linked to Enhanced Strength 5 (Flaws: Limited to Resisting Movement) (9)
-- (17 points)

Offense:
Unarmed +9 (+7 Damage, DC 22)
Shield Bash +8 (+8 Damage, DC 23)
Throwing Stars +8 (+3 Ranged Damage, DC 18)
Shield Toss +8 (+8 Ranged Damage, DC 23)
Initiative +10

Defenses:
Dodge +7 (+8 Shield, DC 18), Parry +7 (+8 Shield, DC 18), Toughness +8, Fortitude +8, Will +4

Complications:
Relationship (Kate Bishop)- He had a crush on her, but she wanted to keep things slow. They're not together in Hawkeye, so I think they split.
Addiction/Responsibility (Steroids/MGH)- Ali used drugs to gave himself super-powers.

Total: Abilities: 66 / Skills: 18--9 / Advantages: 9 / Powers: 28 / Defenses: 5 (117)

-Eli Bradley is the grandson of Isaiah Bradley, the "Black Captain America" (from a Retcon added to the Captain America mythos), and joined the Young Avengers to keep up their "Legacy Heroes" concept. However, it's made clear that Eli's mother was conceived AFTER Isaiah underwent the Super Soldier experiments, and thus he couldn't have inherited anything- Eli says a "blood transfusion" gave him his grandfather's powers, but this was later proven false- Eli was instead taing illegal "Mutant Growth Hormone" street drugs. MGH was a later thing added to Marvel to justify random, unpredictable super-powers- a bit more "street" than Mark Gruenwald's more cartoonish old "Power Broker Treatments" thing. Writer Allan Heinberg has stated that as he'd experimented with steroids, he'd wanted to write about it, and chose Eli as his source. When the truth about his powers was revealed, Eli quit the team, but returned when Hulkling was kidnapped by the Super-Skrull, and the others convinced him he was the only one who could lead the team, powers or not. Humorously, a devastating injury at the hands of a Kree, saving Captain America, meant that he DID require a blood transfusion from his grandfather... which in fact gave him the effects of the Super-Soldier Serum. I love comics.

-Eli sided with Cap during Civil War, chats with Bucky Barnes over what it means to be a "Patriot" when your own government is against you (here, he learns about the original Patriot, Jeffrey Mace), and more. Eventually, after a somewhat adversarial relationship with Kate "Hawkeye" Bishop, the two couple up and are seen dating. However, he quits the team following The Children's Crusade, Kate moves on to the Hawkeye book, and more, and the two split pretty rapidly. And, bizarrely, a NEW black Patriot has shown up, unrelated to Eli, taking over the role in 2017. This makes Eli one of dozens of new black characters created, given a mini-push, and then discarded as some other writer found a NEW black character to play with.

-Despite having a blood transfusion from a Cap-level being as part of his power-source, Eli is MUCH stronger. He's got some pretty elite capabilities, a weaker version of the standard Shield that all Cap-Variants have, and more, but is still just a PL 8 Rookie Hero.
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No one at Marvel has officially said anything, but its clear somebody at editorial doesn't like Eli Bradley; he's not so much as mentioned by any character, nor is his grandfather, whose debut series was pretty controversial.
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