That was Millar.RainOnTheSun wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:00 amDo you remember who the writer was, by any chance? The Authority seems to vary heavily on how edgy it tries to be from creative team to creative team.HalloweenJack wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:37 pm And the moment I most remember most from The Engineer:
After destroying a huge swarm of flesh eating insects, Swift laughs about her smiling.
"Don't look too pleased with yourself, Engineer! Super-people have a reputation for being modest in the movies."
Engineer keeps smiling and replies
"Oh I'm not smiling about this, Shen. I'm happy because one of my multiples just resuscitated a little boy drowned on the roof of the Chrysler Building*. God, this is the best job in the world isn't it?"
Oh them Authority types.
* NYC had been hit by a giant tsunami.
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Thanks for the info, Buddy.Jabroniville wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:04 pmThe character has the power to do almost literally anything- his key issues are lack of durability compared to other beings like Phoenixes.
From ComicVine:Each Doctor has the combined knowledge and abilities of all the Doctors before him and the power to alter reality as long as he can imagine what he wants to do in "poetic terms". The Renegade Doctor described how his powers worked by saying that all he had to do was "draw a detailed picture in his mind" of what he wanted and it would happen. According to the previous Doctors that Jeroen has talked to, there seems to be no limit to what he could do. He could de-create the universe from the Big Bang to the end of time or stretch one moment to infinity if he wanted. There's a reason he generally doesn't use his powers on that kind of scale though. His powers come from the Earth and very powerful acts of magic can be harmful to
the planet (for example, he brought the immortal Jenny Sparks back to life at the cost of one year of the planet's life), so while the Doctor can do anything, he rarely uses his powers to their full potential. His relationship with the Earth is more than just the planet supplying him with power. He can feel how it feels and has a deep connection with it that is spiritual, emotional, mental and possibly physical. When Jeroen first became Doctor he complained to the previous Doctors that he had a pain in his heart and one of them told him, "The world now turns where your heart used to sit. A certain amount of pain is to be expected." Anyone with the power of the Doctor receives 15 new senses which, among other, unnamed things, allows them to not only connect with the planet, but with its people as well. At least one of the senses has something to do with an altered perception of how time flows, allowing for its manipulation, the ability to travel through it in more than one direction, move outside of it, and function at speeds different than the world around the Doctor.
Hmmmn, that is what Marvel wrote about Jean when she first became Phoenix (but is now retconned into being just the PF in Jean's form) that she was only limited "by the breath of her imagination and her strength of will". The Jean/PF had a very high willpower, perhaps one of the highest of any being, which is why she was able to power up an interstellar star-gate and transport herself as well as all of the X-Men, for example.
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Yeah, that was the season finale for series five. The Doctor restarted the universe with what he called the Big Bang II.Jabroniville wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:04 pm From ComicVine:Each Doctor has the combined knowledge and abilities of all the Doctors before him. ... He could de-create the universe from the Big Bang.
At least one of the senses has something to do with an altered perception of how time flows, allowing for its manipulation, the ability to travel through it in more than one direction, move outside of it, and function at speeds different than the world around the Doctor.
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Ken, I'd forgotten that bit with the Engineer early on in the Millar run; I think, for me, that's what's a bit frustrating looking back at it-there were a few really solid character moments, which did showcase the more straightforwardly heroic nature or basic decency of the Authority, but then Millar always seemed to bury that for more cynicism or snark, obliterating the members' already thin personalities in favor of making them (esp. Jack Hawksmoor) his mouthpiece. That's why I still feel the Ellis run is far better overall. The biggest problem is the Authority's potential just got buried by multiple issues-Millar and Quitely getting lured away for bigger paychecks, the Superman take-down, the real life horror of 9/11 (which shelved Azarrello''s plans for the title), a long hiatus, being turned into the antagonists of other Image/WS titles, and then the reboot/folding of their universe into the DCU proper. Which is a shame, because there is still a lot of stories to be told with the team, in the right hands.
I do think any possible future Authority book should be in its own setting, apart from a world with a JLA, GL Corps, and the like, and with the members once again vastly powerful but not unbeatable-basically their world's premier powerhouse team again, rather than three superheroes paired with one invincible war machine, a woman who can instantly make or fix anything, and two reality-warping godlings.
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I do think any possible future Authority book should be in its own setting, apart from a world with a JLA, GL Corps, and the like, and with the members once again vastly powerful but not unbeatable-basically their world's premier powerhouse team again, rather than three superheroes paired with one invincible war machine, a woman who can instantly make or fix anything, and two reality-warping godlings.
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Ah, Gen 13. I was a fan of them, back in the day, just because was a fun, totally irreverent, sort of book. Pretty much porn without plot. Or porn, for that matter.
But, oh, the characterization. Caitlin's boobs fall out! Grunge says something dumb! Roxy pines over Grunge, who's too busy drooling over Caitlin to notice! Rainmaker says she's gay, but then never actually dates anyone, so it doesn't matter. And Burnout, is a person that exists in this book, I guess? I think Anna, the robot maid, got more plot development than Burnout... (Whose name I don't even remember. I remember Roxy Spaulding/Freefall and Sarah 'Rainmaker' and Caitlin 'Fairchild' and Percival Chang/Grunge, but not, uh, the fire-guy, whose dad was technically their Professor X.)
But, oh, the characterization. Caitlin's boobs fall out! Grunge says something dumb! Roxy pines over Grunge, who's too busy drooling over Caitlin to notice! Rainmaker says she's gay, but then never actually dates anyone, so it doesn't matter. And Burnout, is a person that exists in this book, I guess? I think Anna, the robot maid, got more plot development than Burnout... (Whose name I don't even remember. I remember Roxy Spaulding/Freefall and Sarah 'Rainmaker' and Caitlin 'Fairchild' and Percival Chang/Grunge, but not, uh, the fire-guy, whose dad was technically their Professor X.)
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The most interesting thing about Bobby is that he had a completely different design in the initial miniseries.
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Fairchild
I mean, credit where it’s due- when they decided to make a fanservice comic, they just went all-in. No pretense.
CAITLIN FAIRCHILD
Created By: Jim Lee, Brandon Choi & J. Scott Campbell
First Appearance: Deathmate Black (Sept. 1993)
Role: The Normal One, Hot Amazon, The Living Incarnation of Fanservice, Innocent Fanservice Girl, Leggy Dame
Marvel Character Most Ripped Off: She-Hulk (green-theme; super-strong; fanservicey girl?)
'90s Ratio: 8/10 (not a grimacing psycho, but is instead the living incarnation of fanservice)
Group Affiliations: Gen¹³
PL 10 (132)
STRENGTH 12 STAMINA 12 AGILITY 4
FIGHTING 8 DEXTERITY 2
INTELLIGENCE 4 AWARENESS 2 PRESENCE 3
Skills:
Athletics 2 (+14)
Insight 4 (+6)
Investigation 2 (+4)
Perception 4 (+6)
Persuasion 2 (+5, +10 Attractive)
Technology 4 (+8)
Vehicles 2 (+4)
Advantages:
Beginner's Luck, Fast Grab, Great Endurance, Improved Critical (Unarmed), Improved Trip, Jack Of All Trades, Power Attack, Ranged Attack 2
Powers:
Leaping 2 (30 feet) [2]
Speed 1 (4 mph) [1]
Impervious Toughness 7 [7]
Offense:
Unarmed +8 (+12 Damage, DC 27)
Initiative +4
Defenses:
Dodge +8 (DC 18), Parry +8 (DC 18), Toughness +12 (+4 Impervious), Fortitude +12, Will +7
Complications:
Responsibility (Always Losing Clothes)- Even Caitlin seems aware of the fact that she is constantly losing articles of clothing during missions.
Relationship (Alex Fairchild- Father)- Caitlin was eventually happily reunited with her father.
Total: Abilities: 94 / Skills: 20--10 / Advantages: 9 / Powers: 10 / Defenses: 9 (132)
-Perhaps no other character is as iconic for JUST fanservice than Caitlin Fairchild. J. Scott Campbell went all-out in his fetish for gigantic legs by turning the super-strong Amazonian member of Gen¹³ into not a muscular broad like She-Hulk was, but a scrawny nymphette with sky-high legs of preposterous length. Fairchild was SO LEGGY that her legs were actually taller than her entire torso, plus her head, plus ANOTHER head high! Keep in mind that normal human women have legs about as long as their torsos (minus the head) and you'll get an idea of just how insane Fairchild's proportions were.
-Fairchild was the signature character of Gen¹³, being a mousy, nerdy college girl given genetic boosts to her innate powers, transforming her into a 6'4" powerhouse- the narrator of the first arc, she interacted with the others, usually acting as the "Sane One", and had to come to the rescue of the other kids when their "savior" turned out to be the villain Threshold. Putting on some bandoliers and an Extreme '90s Gun, she invaded the bad guys' base... and promptly tossed the gun away after a couple pages and just started fighting normally, because that gun thing was just to sell the next issue, ya know? Along the way, she fights Pitt after thinking they're on opposite sides (he overpowers her, but she kicks him in the balls in an iconic scene), and then helps save her teammates, taking a "Field Leader" kind of position. She would later meet her long-lost father Alex, and discover that she & Roxy were half-sisters.
-But really, Fairchild was ALL about fanservice- almost every cover featured her prominently. Page after page showed her rear (with her signature onesie riding up the butt, showing both ass-cheeks) and her long, sky-high legs. Endlessly she lost articles of clothing, to the point where it was a running theme in the first four issues!
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How does fan service incarnate not have attractive?
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Huh. Depending on the artist, she's either a scrawny waif with huge spherical boobs and inhumanly long legs, or a muscular chick with bazooka bosoms and inhumanly long legs. How'd that sort of character over get over with Image fans?
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Does she use her looks to help persuade or deceive people? Do people trust her when she's lying just because she's got legs that go all the way to the floor?
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Burnout
LOL- Fairchild has 668 images on ComicVine- Burnout has 36. That says it all, doesn't it?
BURNOUT (Bobby Lane)
Created By: Jim Lee, Brandon Choi & J. Scott Campbell
First Appearance: Deathmate Black (Sept. 1993)
Role: The Forgotten One, Flying Blaster
Marvel Character Most Ripped Off: The Human Torch (flying fire guy)
'90s Ratio: 6/10 (flying blaster; badass name)
Group Affiliations: Gen¹³
PL 9 (129)
STRENGTH 2 STAMINA 4 AGILITY 4
FIGHTING 8 DEXTERITY 2
INTELLIGENCE 1 AWARENESS 2 PRESENCE 2
Skills:
Athletics 4 (+6)
Insight 2 (+4)
Perception 3 (+5)
Ranged Combat (Fire) 3 (+9)
Advantages:
Improved Critical (Fire), Ranged Attack 4
Powers:
Flight 6 (120 mph) [12]
Immunity 1 (Heat) [1]
"Deflective Fire Shield" Enhanced Parry 4 [4]
Fire Aura 8 (Feats: Dynamic) (33) -- [39]
- Dynamic AE: Fire Blast 9 (Feats: Dynamic, Split) (20)
- Dynamic AE: "Fire Burst" Blast 8 (Feats: Dynamic) (Extras: Area- 30ft. Burst) (25)
- Dynamic AE: "Fire Gout" Fire Aura 8 (Feats: Dynamic) (Extras: Area- 30ft. Line) (25)
Unarmed +8 (+2 Damage, DC 17)
Fire Aura +8 (+8 Damage, DC 23)
Fire Blast +9 (+9 Ranged Damage, DC 24)
Area Attacks +8 (+8 Ranged Damage, DC 23)
Initiative +4
Defenses:
Dodge +10 (DC 20), Parry +8 (+12 Fire Shield, DC 18-22), Toughness +4, Fortitude +6, Will +6
Complications:
Relationship (John Lynch- Father)
Total: Abilities: 50 / Skills: 12--6 / Advantages: 5 / Powers: 56 / Defenses: 12 (129)
-The surest sign that Gen¹³ was just gonna be a "T&A" book was, ironically, the appearance of Burnout, a male character. See, because the book was SO DEVOTED to ass shots that one of the main five characters... never even got any characterization! J. Scott Campbell can't even draw him the same way from panel to panel! His hair shifts in length like goddamn Rob Liefeld is drawing him, and he never so much as gets a line or two to humanize him. He's like one of the male members of S Club 7- just there so they can pretend it's not just a titty book.
-So Burnout appears in the first story arc as "the guy who doesn't say anything" in the first issue, then runs off with Caitlin & the gang when they realize their bosses are bad guys. Along the way, he manifests his pyrokinetic abilities (a generic '90s powerset) but manages to do nothing that involves the plot. His only real "thing" later is that when the team fight Threshold & Bliss, he is taken down by Bliss, who does a psychic whammy on him and makes him lust for her. He just kinda ends up on the team from that point, with the least character traits of the five. A later issue would reveal that he was actually the son of John Lynch, changing their relationship. He had a one-sided crush on Rainmaker, then another Gen-Active girl, but after that came all the reboots.
-Burnout is a generic, barebones PL 9 Blaster, able to use an Aura, Area Attacks and a standard Fire Blast, in addition to flight.
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Another example of how much the comic book world cared about Fairchild vs. how much it cared about the rest of the team is that the default UN superhero team in the freedomverse has a member who is exactly Caitlin Fairchild, but grown up, and I have not seen a single reference to anyone or anything else from Gen13. Although to be fair, if there was a reference to anything else I'm not sure I'd be able to recognize it.
Re: Jab’s Builds! (The Engineer! The Doctor! Gen-13! Fairchild!)
Paragons' Raindance character owes quite a bit to Rainmaker (lesbian First nations character with weather control powers) though they're both derivative of Storm.RainOnTheSun wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:54 am Another example of how much the comic book world cared about Fairchild vs. how much it cared about the rest of the team is that the default UN superhero team in the freedomverse has a member who is exactly Caitlin Fairchild, but grown up, and I have not seen a single reference to anyone or anything else from Gen13. Although to be fair, if there was a reference to anything else I'm not sure I'd be able to recognize it.
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My only real experience of Gen-13 is a crossover with Generation X, IIRC Burnout and Jubilee had a little flirty thing going on.
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Jab, I'm very surprised you know who S Club are, where they known in Canada?
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