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Re: Alkhema

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Jabroniville wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:29 am Typical couple stuff: Ultron wanted quick genocide of the entire human race, while Alkhema wanted to kill everyone one-by-one, so she could enjoy it more.
Now that Bobbi's back, they should really have Alkhema make a return appearance so as to explore what it means for someone based on her personality to have such sheer sadism.
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The Vision (Modern)

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THE VISION II (aka Victor Shade)
Created By:
Roy Thomas & John Buscema
First Appearance: The Avengers #57 (Oct. 1968)
Role: Learning To Be Human, Emotionless Guy
Group Affiliations: The Avengers (All Teams)
Avengers Grade: B-Level
PL 11 (223)
STRENGTH
8/12 STAMINA 10 AGILITY 2
FIGHTING 6 DEXTERITY 0
INTELLIGENCE 4 AWARENESS 2 PRESENCE 0

Skills:
Close Combat (Unarmed) 4 (+10)
Deception 5 (+5)
Expertise (Current Events) 4 (+8)
Expertise (Science) 6 (+10)
Insight 3 (+5)
Investigation 4 (+6)
Perception 6 (+8)
Ranged Combat (Solar Blast) 4 (+10)
Stealth 4 (+6)
Technology 6 (+10)
Vehicles 2 (+2)

Advantages:
Beginner's Luck, Diehard, Equipment (Holographic Disguise), Extraordinary Effort, Great Endurance, Improved Smash, Interpose, Jack-of-All-Trades, Languages (Various), Power Attack, Ranged Attack 6, Teamwork

Powers:
"Datalink" Communication 1 (Computers) [4]
Regeneration 2 [2]
Quickness 4 (Flaws: Limited to Mental Tasks) [2]
Immunity 11 (Aging, Life Support) [11]
Senses 2 (Extended & Infravision) [2]

Low Density (41) -- [42]
  • AE: High Density (38)
"Physical Disruption" Affliction 12 (Fort; Dazed/Stunned/Incapacitated) (Feats: Dynamic) (Extras: Cumulative, Affects Corporeal) (37) -- [39]
  • AE: "Damaging Disruption" Damage 11 (Feats: Dynamic, Penetrating 6) (Extras: Affects Corporeal) (29)
    AE: "Solar Blast" Blast 10 (20)
"High Density"
Enhanced Strength 4 (8)
"Immovable" Features 6: Increased Mass 3 (6)
Protection 4 (Extras: Impervious 15) (19)
Protection 6 (Flaws: Immobile -2) (2)
Enhanced Advantages 1: Withstand Damage (Trades Defense for Toughness) (1)
-- (38 points)

"Low Density"
Insubstantial 4 (Feats: Precise) (21)
Enhanced Skills 8: Stealth 8 (+14) (4)
Enhanced Advantages 4: Evasion 2, Improved Defense, Uncanny Dodge (4)
Flight 4 (30 mph) (8)
Enhanced Dodge & Parry 2 (4)
-- (41 points)

Offense:
Unarmed +10 (+8 Damage, DC 23)
High Density +10 (+12 Damage, DC 27)
Physical Disruption +10 (+12 Affliction, DC 22)
Damaging Disruption +10 (+11 Damage, DC 26)
Initiative +2

Defenses:
Dodge +8 (+10 Low Density, DC 18-20), Parry +8 (+10 Low Density, DC 18-20), Toughness +10 (+14 High Density, +8 Impervious), Fortitude +12, Will +8

Complications:
Power Loss (Solar Blast)- The Vision requires solar energy to power his blasts- if left without, he will lose power.
Weakness (Android Body- Despite being humanlike in construction, The Vision's body is different enough to require specialists beyond mere medical training if he is injured.
Relationship (Scarlet Witch)- It's complicated, even by the standards of comic book relationships. They fell in love despite tons of angst, then got married, then had babies, then turned out to be constructs (which nobody decided to tell Dr. Strange about- he was shocked and David Finch copied the same picture seven-hundred times while it was explained to him later). Then he got turned into an emotionless droid and lost all his colour. Then he chased after her for a long time, not quite getting over it.

Total: Abilities: 64 / Skills: 48--24 / Advantages: 17 / Powers: 102 / Defenses: 16 (223)

The Vision- An Android Can Cry:
-The Vision (named after a forgotten Golden Age character) is a rare case of a guy who ALWAYS looks best in older books- for some reason, the way older books were made (heavily-inked and thick, simple colours) made him look BOSS AS HELL, whereas all the newfangled modern techniques actually make him look weaker and silly-looking. He's the only comic book character I can think of who ALWAYS looks worse these days.

-The Vision went from a creation of Ultron to one of the best Avengers, all in one great storyline by Roy Thomas- Ultron built a synthetic android- a "synthezoid"- using the brain patterns of the then-deceased Simon "Wonder Man" Williams, and sent him to kill the Avengers. Famously, he instead ended up betraying his creator and was then asked to JOIN them, proving that "even an android can cry!" He would go on to be one of the more-iconic members, the years have been both kind and cruel to the poor guy, as he had several years of bliss with the Scarlet Witch in one of the few great love affairs that started and ended in the comics (as opposed to "introduced as lovers" individuals like most heroes and their ready-made girlfriends), having a neat little relationship for a long time. They even got a pair of Limited Series! But then that all got destroyed and the character's been kind of all over the place since, being created in a big bit at the end of an Avengers movie... but then also being ignored and then wiped out. He's a great character, and one of the iconic guys known for being only an Avenger and never really getting a major solo book.

The Vision & The Scarlet Witch:
-Only two years into the Vision's run began, he was given a love interest when the Scarlet Witch was reintroduced to the team. Roy Thomas "felt that a romance of some sort would help the character development in The Avengers, and the Vision was a prime candidate because he appeared only in that mag... as did Wanda, for that matter. So they became a pair, for just such practical considerations. It would also, I felt, add to the development I was doing on the Vision's attempting to become ‘human'." Roy was particularly proud of that story (including a memorable scene in the Kree/Skrull War in which Ronan the Accuser laughs his ass off over how unlikely and weird their coupling is, saying it makes his whole mission worth it just to see it), and it continued on after him. Steve Englehart, who took over the book from Thomas, used the well-known idea that the Vision's body had originally been that of the Golden Age Human Torch (something Thomas & Neal Adams had introduced, but couldn't follow through on- Steve had Roy's blessing to take the idea and run with it)!

-Eventually, Vision and the Scarlet Witch are married in 1975, much to the consternation of Wanda's brother, Quicksilver (who compares it to kissing a toaster). For a brief time, Vision went a bit nuts after shutting down trying to defeat Annihilus, and tries to take over the world's governments, but he is soon forgiven by his teammates (not not the world's governments). I finally collected the entirety of their second Limited Series in 1985-86... which STARTED okay, but got more boring by the issue. And seeing as how it was TWELVE ISSUES LONG, this was a problem. I mean, almost nothing of note happened that was any good- Magneto appeared as an uncomfortable weird dad in a sweater, Salem's Seven were major villains, Ultron appeared as a random weird douche who was easily beaten, and the Grim Reaper was the top foe, mostly because he was angry that the Vision was based off of the dead brother he worshipped. Shocking everyone, however, the two lovebirds manage to HAVE CHILDREN- considered an impossibility given that the Vision is an artificial man. Their twin boys are named Thomas (probably after Roy) and William (maybe after Wonder Man?), and seem to come from Wanda's hex powers. The Vision had become somewhat of a normal family man, and was happy.

Vision- Piss-Yellow Edition:
-Unfortunately, John Byrne destroyed all of that in West Coast Avengers. Note: When Byrne bitches and moans (as he is wont to do) about people always changing heroes from their basic versions, and how it's always his responsibility to change them back to what they were supposed to be, Vision is what you can throw in his face, and those of his apologists. He turned a wonderful character, an android who had long ago conquered his emotionless facade (unlike, say, Data, who did it for seven seasons and five movies in Star Trek), into basically a big, boring robot with no colour in his personality or on his costume. See, the character was taken apart both physically and emotionally, after his wife had a nervous breakdown upon the revelation that her children were never really "real"- just constructs created by her mind. Seeing Vision turned into mere PARTS completely changed how a lot of people viewed him (he was seen as a man made of synthetic materials, not a true "machine", before this)... and even worse, this robbed him of his personality. The Vision was now a cold, calculating, emotionless robot figure. When a shattered Wanda demanded her husband back, she was mortified when Wonder Man, now alive, refused to let them use his brain patterns to "re-create" the Vision, feeling it was an assault on his soul. And so the Vision was rebuilt as this colorless (he was a strange, almost urine-stained white-yellow), emotionless figure, and split from his wife permanently, joining the East Coast Avengers, while she stayed West.

-Byrne, wanting the original Human Torch back in WCA, also introduced a complete retcon that said "The Vision could have NEVER been the Torch!" (with the Torch's own creator, Phineas Horton, saying it to make sure we bought it). And so the Torch was back, and the Vision was just some other guy.

-This, in short, DESTROYED the character. It completely removed the whole "Wants to be human" thing, and, despite Byrne intending to bring the character "Back To Basics", had simply created an ALL-NEW guy, since the Vision had only been like that for one tiny story. Mark Gruenwald of all people seemed okay with this, saying it was "kind of neat" to see Vision reverted back to his old ways, along with the Thing (who at this point was lumpy like he'd originally been). The Vision just stuck around in The Avengers for much of the '90s.

The Vision Reboots As a Minor Character:
-The Vision would slowly regain his emotions and colors, adopting the brain patterns of a deceased scientist named Alex Lipton. Wonder Man's brain patterns also "re-emerge" (??) and merge with Lipton's, so the Vision is now fully emotional again. In short: people were sick of that Vision, and new writers were probably like "yeah, what he hell? I want MY Vision back!". It took Kurt Busiek YEARS to repair that damage in his own run, and even then he couldn't quite pull it off, as Vision just had some forgettable dates with Warbird & Mantis before going back to pining over Wanda like a sad puppy. Like Scott Lang, he was offed during Disassembled, as Wanda goes insane again and driving She-Hulk nuts- Shulkie tears apart the Vision in a fit of rage (translation: Brian Michael Bendis wanted more dead bodies, and didn't care for Vision). His files and "operating system" are placed into Iron Lad's armor, which becomes sentient on its own.

Modern Vision:
-The Vision was eventually rebuilt by Tony Stark, and rejoins the Avengers. He seems to follow around Wanda again, but finally confesses he can't forgive her controlling his body and having him killed, no matter the reason- though he weeps upon removing her from his life. He joins the Avengers A.I. team in a true show of how little he was considered at Marvel. He joined the "All-New, All-Differrent" Avengers under Mark Waid, who had him controlled by Kang temporarily. A time-travel story revealed that he proved to be immortal, causing him to talk the nature of this out with Hercules in one of Waid's better Avengers issues.

-In 2015, The Vision was oddly given his own SOLO BOOK, which was amazingly well-received and considered the best book in the industry... and had the mandatory low sales and early cancellation, lasting twelve issues. The book featured him creating a synthezoid family: wife Virginia, son Vin, and daughter Viv Vision. The Grim Reaper attacks the family, and is killed by Virginia, and much of the comic deals with the attempts to cover it up. The Avengers, suspecting something, have Victor Mancha of the Runaways book investigate, and he accidentally kills Vin when the boy attempts to stop his report to the Avengers. Vision attempts to exact revenge, while Virginia soon murders Viv's classmate, who suspected the murder- however, she quickly realizes that the Vision will go down a dark path if he murders Mancha (as foretold by Agatha Harkness), and instead murders the boy herself. She then commits suicide and takes full responsibility for the deaths, not wanting Viv to grow up with both her parents in jail. Viv later becomes a character in other books, while Vision is temporarily controlled by Ultron/Hank during Secret Empire- seeing his daughter free is what helps him break the control.

The Vision's Powers:
-Vision's a considerably powerful super-hero, able to modify his Strength & Toughness with his Density power, as well as launching a half-decent Blast and hurting nearly everybody with a +12 Damage attack. He'd technically break his Damage caps with his maximum Density, but since he's PL 11, you can limit him to +13 Damage Bonus. Deciding his final rank in Density was tough, as he's been shown pushing himself to 90 tons before (which would imply at least Density 18), but the operative word is "pushing", ie. Extra Effort or somesuch thing.

-His costs are pushed along by several side-powers, such as weak Regeneration, Comprehend, Datalink, Holo-Disguises, and Immunity to various things. One thing I WON'T do, however, is make him a full-on machine. Vision is NOT a robot. He has organs, eyes, etc. as any human being does, they just have artificial construction. This means he has a Stamina score and all that fun stuff (just Immunities to some things because his mechanics are so different). I think if you tore his arm off, he'd be just as devastated as a normal super-tough human. Sure, he can be "rebuilt" if taken apart, which is kinda robot-like, but they've said repeatedly that he is "in every way a human being".
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Re: Jab’s Builds! (Wasp! Scott Lang! Eric O’Grady! Ultron!)

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Shock wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:44 pm I don't know why this jumped into my head but here it is:

Ultron's fantasy analog is a Lich. He's nearly impossible to hurt, has all sort of magic that he can throw at heroes and can have hordes of minions at varying levels of power. And even if you can hurt him, you can't kill him unless you find his phylactery (server backup). He creates high level lieutenants to keep him company and even performs horrifying experiments to create human/robot(undead) hybrids.
huh, yeah, that's a pretty decent analogy- someone who can barely be harmed whatsoever, and keeps returning as a threat. Even the side-stuff holds up!
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Re: Jab’s Builds! (Wasp! Scott Lang! Eric O’Grady! Ultron!)

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I thought that turning JARVIS (Tony's AI assistant in the MCU) into Vision in the movies was a kinda neat idea. Too bad it didn't last long, but given his power source..yeah, that was a given.
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Re: Jab’s Builds! (Wasp! Scott Lang! Eric O’Grady! Ultron!)

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KorokoMystia wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:00 am I thought that turning JARVIS (Tony's AI assistant in the MCU) into Vision in the movies was a kinda neat idea. Too bad it didn't last long, but given his power source..yeah, that was a given.
Agreed, though admittedly I prefer Jarvis as a human butler and not an AI, but that was a clever twist.

And yeah, John Byrne "fixing" the Vision is one of the most asinine things I've ever read. It reminds me of how "Iron Fist: The Living Weapon" decided to focus the Revenge Story aspect of Danny, when the revenge story was dealt with in the first handful of issues and the whole point was that revenge was stupid, and Danny spent the next 30 years having worked past it. Likewise with the Vision, he was never a truly emotionless machine. He had a personality from DAY ONE, and the idea that Byrne was somehow returning him to the status quo is an absolute lie. While Vision often TRIED to embrace an emotionless nature because emotions were complicated and painful, it was clear to everyone that Vision was an emotional being. John Byrne essentially created a new character in an effort to "fix" what had been done to an old one. Namely character progression.

They couldn't just let Vision and Wanda enjoy being a married couple with kids, they had to do a "Everything you know is wrong" story because Byrne wanted to have the original Human Torch brought back for whatever reason and do another Dark Phoenix storyline, this one with Wanda.

The idea of Vision building himself a family is just . . . weird. It basically strikes me as another James Robinson Starman series where it gets a lot of acclaim for simply not being a superhero book, and for having characters do morally ambiguous things. Though I did find it hilarious how angry Chelsea Cain got when her follow up Vision series was cancelled before release, and she couldn't understand why a comic publisher didn't appreciate her taking two years to write less than four issues.

There's also been this trend to over-complicate the Vision's outfit, which really didn't need it. It was fine as is, and all of the effort to make it more red and green and suck out the yellow just looks wrong.
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Virginia Vision

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VIRGINIA VISION
Created By:
Tom King & Gabriel Hernandez Walta
First Appearance: The Vision #1 (Jan. 2016)
Role: Robo-Wife

-Virginia Vision may be the most peculiar part of the recent Vision comic, to me- while the Vision experimenting further with new aspects of being a man is interesting, creating a synthezoid for the sole purpose of being his bride is... something ULTRON does. Like, twice. And hell, if you look at the comic, it didn't even work out any better for VISION, either!! "Virginia" looks kinda creepy, like a lady-Vision with green "mom hair", and seemed to go off the deep end in protecting her family. First, she kills the super-villainous Grim Reaper when he comes looking for her family, which is one thing, but killing off her daughter's CLASSMATE is quite another. The girl suspected Virginia of killing the Reaper, sure, but yeah- premeditated murder. When their son Vin is killed by Victor Mancha by accident, and the Vision seeks revenge, Virginia realizes that at least ONE of them has to protect their remaining child, and so she murders Mancha before Vision can get there, takes the blame to the police, and then commits suicide, dying in the Vision's arms. In the end of The Vision, he is seen considering rebuilding her.
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Re: Jab’s Builds! (Scott Lang! Eric O’Grady! Ultron! The Vision!)

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Yeah, the Vision should have been the one person who would NEVER pull stuff like this off. Building a family like this the kind of crazy Dr. Frankenstein stuff Ultron would get up to, and it never ends well.

I mean, if Vision decided to build two children AI's and raise them so that they could develop their own personalities, that would be one thing. Designing a wife who is meant to love him and their kids is . . . frankly, kind of monstrous. How much agency and free will did Virginia really have? There's a reason why people designing robots to love them is considered really creepy.
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Re: Jab’s Builds! (Scott Lang! Eric O’Grady! Ultron! The Vision!)

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Wow, I really misread the header and was staring confused at the text under it and how it related before taking a second look and realizing it was a lot more innocent than I originally thought.
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Vin Vision

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VIN VISION
Created By:
Tom King & Gabriel Hernandez Walta
First Appearance: The Vision #1 (Jan. 2016)
Role: Robo-Son

-Vin (possibly short for "Vincent") is the least-important member of the Vision's robo-family, and dies first- he is killed accidentally when he uncovers Victor Mancha spying on their family. Victor attempts to stop him, but an electrical surge proves to be fatal. The Vision's out for blood, but his wife Virginia kills Mancha instead.
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Re: Jab’s Builds! (Wasp! Scott Lang! Eric O’Grady! Ultron!)

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Ares wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:46 am
KorokoMystia wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:00 am I thought that turning JARVIS (Tony's AI assistant in the MCU) into Vision in the movies was a kinda neat idea. Too bad it didn't last long, but given his power source..yeah, that was a given.
Agreed, though admittedly I prefer Jarvis as a human butler and not an AI, but that was a clever twist.

And yeah, John Byrne "fixing" the Vision is one of the most asinine things I've ever read. It reminds me of how "Iron Fist: The Living Weapon" decided to focus the Revenge Story aspect of Danny, when the revenge story was dealt with in the first handful of issues and the whole point was that revenge was stupid, and Danny spent the next 30 years having worked past it. Likewise with the Vision, he was never a truly emotionless machine. He had a personality from DAY ONE, and the idea that Byrne was somehow returning him to the status quo is an absolute lie. While Vision often TRIED to embrace an emotionless nature because emotions were complicated and painful, it was clear to everyone that Vision was an emotional being. John Byrne essentially created a new character in an effort to "fix" what had been done to an old one. Namely character progression.

They couldn't just let Vision and Wanda enjoy being a married couple with kids, they had to do a "Everything you know is wrong" story because Byrne wanted to have the original Human Torch brought back for whatever reason and do another Dark Phoenix storyline, this one with Wanda.
Yeah, that whole thing was just a complete mess, and makes it look like Byrne was senile in what was supposed to be his creative prime. Oddly, Mark Gruenwald of all people, who should have known better, was like "I think it's neat that Vision has gone back to his roots!" or something.

Looking back, it's VERY clear that one story-arc completely destroyed the Vision as a character- he spent the entire '90s as the "wrong person" and the very toaster Quicksilver once described him as being, and then he went through Onslaught, Avengers Disassembled and Wanda's various brainfarts, becoming a nigh-forgotten, semi-unusable character.

The weird Vision series is not one I've read, and I know it was EXTREMELY acclaimed, but reading the synopses makes it clear they were almost written for a different person than Vizh (though to be fair, he's been altered so many times that might be fitting), and that while it was probably well-written and creatively interesting, it was more a bleak "1950s Ideal Life" satire/commentary.
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Re: Jab’s Builds! (Scott Lang! Eric O’Grady! Ultron! The Vision!)

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Your next-to-last paragraph sums up everything wrong with Nadia. Almost other detail about the character (e.g., her status as a legacy hero) I have no issue with. But she became another in the list of "all the smartest characters in the world are now teenage girls!"

As an educator, the STEM push for girls has been pretty ridiculous. It definitely has encouraged some girls to study science who might have not stepped up to do so, but the numbers are thoroughly disproportionate to the time and money spent on the push.

On the other hand, the idea that Nadia was part of the "science-wing" of the Red Room is also stupid...mostly because she is portrayed as a happy, spunky teenager, rather than a dysfunctional girl who had been brainwashed for her whole childhood.

EDIT: What happened to Nadia? This comment is in regard to her.
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Viv Vision

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VIV VISION (Vivian Vision)
Created By:
Tom King & Gabriel Hernandez Walta
First Appearance: The Vision #1 (Jan. 2016)
Role: Robo-Daughter
Group Affiliations: The Champions
PL 8 (175)
STRENGTH
6/10 STAMINA 8 AGILITY 2
FIGHTING 6 DEXTERITY 0
INTELLIGENCE 2 AWARENESS 1 PRESENCE 0

Skills:
Deception 5 (+5)
Expertise (Science) 2 (+4)
Investigation 2 (+3)
Perception 4 (+5)
Ranged Combat (Solar Blast) 4 (+8)
Stealth 2 (+4)
Technology 4 (+6)
Vehicles 2 (+2)

Advantages:
Great Endurance, Interpose, Ranged Attack 4

Powers:
"Datalink" Communication 1 (Computers) [4]
Regeneration 2 [2]
Quickness 4 (Flaws: Limited to Mental Tasks) [2]
Immunity 11 (Aging, Life Support) [11]
Senses 2 (Extended & Infravision) [2]

Low Density (41) -- [42]
  • AE: High Density (32)
"Physical Disruption" Affliction 10 (Fort; Dazed/Stunned/Incapacitated) (Feats: Dynamic) (Extras: Cumulative, Affects Corporeal) (31) -- [33]
  • AE: "Damaging Disruption" Damage 8 (Feats: Dynamic, Penetrating 6) (Extras: Affects Corporeal) (23)
  • AE: "Solar Blast" Blast 8 (16)
"High Density"
Enhanced Strength 4 (8)
"Immovable" Features 6: Increased Mass 3 (6)
Protection 2 (Extras: Impervious 11) (13)
Protection 6 (Flaws: Immobile -2) (2)
Enhanced Advantages 1: Withstand Damage (Trades Defense for Toughness) (1)
-- (32 points)

"Low Density"
Insubstantial 4 (Feats: Precise) (21)
Enhanced Skills 8: Stealth 8 (+14) (4)
Enhanced Advantages 4: Evasion 2, Improved Defense, Uncanny Dodge (4)
Flight 4 (30 mph) (8)
Enhanced Dodge & Parry 2 (4)
-- (41 points)

Offense:
Unarmed +6 (+6 Damage, DC 21)
High Density +6 (+10 Damage, DC 25)
Physical Disruption +6 (+10 Affliction, DC 25)
Damaging Disruption +6 (+8 Damage, DC 23)
Initiative +2

Defenses:
Dodge +6 (+8 Low Density, DC 16-18), Parry +6 (+8 Low Density, DC 16-18), Toughness +8 (+10 High Density, +6 Impervious), Fortitude +10, Will +5

Complications:
Power Loss (Solar Blast)- Viv Vision requires solar energy to power her blasts- if left without, she will lose power.
Weakness (Android Body- Despite being humanlike in construction, Viv Vision's body is different enough to require specialists beyond mere medical training if she is injured.
Relationship (The Vision- Father)- Viv seems to honor her father somewhat, but is very independent.
Relationship (The Champions)- Viv is close with her teammates, and has a crush on Ironheart.
Prejudice (Gay Thoughts)- Viv seems to be attracted to women.

Total: Abilities: 50 / Skills: 26--13 / Advantages: 6 / Powers: 96 / Defenses: 10 (175)

-The only member of Vision's robo-family to survive his solo book, Viv is a daughter built to resemble a teenage girl, and given a combination of Vision and his wife Virginia's brainwaves. Sent to a high school to learn and interact with humans, she befriends a classmate, but is badly injured by the Grim Reaper's attack. He's killed by Virginia, but this is hidden- when Viv's friend suspects, she too is killed by Viv's mother. Resenting her mother deeply, she ends up without her by the book's end. Surviving the book, she enters Mark Waid's The Champions, joining a group of other teen Replacement Heroes- Teen Cyclops, Cho-Hulk, Sam-Nova, Miles-Spidey, and Kamala-Ms. Marvel. She is captured by the High Evolutionary, patron saint of bad story arcs, and forcibly "evolved" into human form, but tries to sacrifice herself in order to save the Earth- this actually transports her to another dimension, but her father constructs a second Viv, thinking that Vivian died. The two Vivs fight when Viv-2 goes insane and tries to kill the original, but is damaged and left brain-dead as a result. Human-Viv thus transplants her own mind into Viv-2, effectively restoring her original self. Along the way, Viv developed a crush on new teammate Ironheart.

-With Viv, I turned her into a PL 8 version of her father, costing a TON of points just like him, as she has similar, very pricey powers.
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Re: Jab’s Builds! (Scott Lang! Eric O’Grady! Ultron! The Vision!)

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drkrash wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:23 pm Your next-to-last paragraph sums up everything wrong with Nadia. Almost other detail about the character (e.g., her status as a legacy hero) I have no issue with. But she became another in the list of "all the smartest characters in the world are now teenage girls!"

As an educator, the STEM push for girls has been pretty ridiculous. It definitely has encouraged some girls to study science who might have not stepped up to do so, but the numbers are thoroughly disproportionate to the time and money spent on the push.

On the other hand, the idea that Nadia was part of the "science-wing" of the Red Room is also stupid...mostly because she is portrayed as a happy, spunky teenager, rather than a dysfunctional girl who had been brainwashed for her whole childhood.

EDIT: What happened to Nadia? This comment is in regard to her.
Sorry-realized I hadn’t posted Viv Vision yet so I deleted Nadia. Figured she’d only been up for like 30 seconds so nobody would see it :)
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It was obvious from the moment that they said Viv was going to explore human emotion that she would be gay.
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drkrash wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:23 pm Your next-to-last paragraph sums up everything wrong with Nadia. Almost other detail about the character (e.g., her status as a legacy hero) I have no issue with. But she became another in the list of "all the smartest characters in the world are now teenage girls!"

As an educator, the STEM push for girls has been pretty ridiculous. It definitely has encouraged some girls to study science who might have not stepped up to do so, but the numbers are thoroughly disproportionate to the time and money spent on the push.

On the other hand, the idea that Nadia was part of the "science-wing" of the Red Room is also stupid...mostly because she is portrayed as a happy, spunky teenager, rather than a dysfunctional girl who had been brainwashed for her whole childhood.

EDIT: What happened to Nadia? This comment is in regard to her.
Yeah, it was a peculiar thing to make THAT this comic's big personal issue. And her being part of the "Red Room" never seems to come up in anything I've read, aside from someone casually bringing it up.
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