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Re: Hank Pym Builds

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Spam wrote: Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:49 pm
Jabroniville wrote: Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:16 am . And Wasp-Hank is now this brave, smart, creative Leader Guy, leading the Avengers, winning tons of respect, and even having a bit that was infamous with another poster- a scene where Hawkeye cries out "Don't worry, everyone! HANK PYM is here!",
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Re: Jab’s Builds! (Michael Jordan! Shaq-Fu! Hank Pym Builds!)

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Ares wrote: Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:35 pm
Goldar wrote: Wed Mar 11, 2020 1:24 pm Jab, looking forward to your builds of all of Hank's guises.

During the early Avengers years, when he fought Power Man (Josten), how strong do you think Hank was as Giant-Man/Goliath?

They both seemed to stalemate each other, but neither seemed overly strong, like Iron Man nor Wonder Man. Later, they would state that Josten had Wonder Man level strength, but I never saw it. Not in those 60's stories nor later in the early '70's when Josten lost to Cage.

I think in the original stories, Josten was suppose to be Wonder Man-level strong, but it was later retconned that since the machines hadn't been designed for Josten, they couldn't give him Simon's full power. Count Nefaria even said that the Ionic Treatment only made Josten a pale shadow of Wonder Man.
Like many MU characters, Wonder Man's strength seemed to build over the years, as writers depicted more and more impressive feats. Originally, the treatments Zemo gave him supposedly made him a match for any of the original Avengers (not counting the Hulk); he was as strong as a 25 foot tall Giant Man, tough enough to withstand Iron Man's repulsor blasts (in what was Tony's fourth suit of armor), had enhanced reflexes and speed, and was provided with a jet-belt for flight. Erik Josten never seemed quite as good, though Power Man had been a street tough, ex-solider, and mercenary, so presumably was a much more experienced fighter than Simon Williams (a physically fit businessman prior to his transformation). After Wonder Man was revived, he got more and more powerful as his body was more suffused with "ionic" energy.

The early Luke Cage was once "officially" said to only be able to lift/press 3 tons, but given he went toe-to-toe with Spider-Man, he really should have been closer to the 10 ton mark (problematically, Cage mostly fought non-powered human tough guys, like Cottonmouth). So I'd peg the early Power Man in the 5 to 10 ton mark.

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Re: Jab’s Builds! (Michael Jordan! Shaq-Fu! Hank Pym Builds!)

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greycrusader wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:39 am
Ares wrote: Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:35 pm
Goldar wrote: Wed Mar 11, 2020 1:24 pm Jab, looking forward to your builds of all of Hank's guises.

During the early Avengers years, when he fought Power Man (Josten), how strong do you think Hank was as Giant-Man/Goliath?

They both seemed to stalemate each other, but neither seemed overly strong, like Iron Man nor Wonder Man. Later, they would state that Josten had Wonder Man level strength, but I never saw it. Not in those 60's stories nor later in the early '70's when Josten lost to Cage.

I think in the original stories, Josten was suppose to be Wonder Man-level strong, but it was later retconned that since the machines hadn't been designed for Josten, they couldn't give him Simon's full power. Count Nefaria even said that the Ionic Treatment only made Josten a pale shadow of Wonder Man.
Like many MU characters, Wonder Man's strength seemed to build over the years, as writers depicted more and more impressive feats. Originally, the treatments Zemo gave him supposedly made him a match for any of the original Avengers (not counting the Hulk); he was as strong as a 25 foot tall Giant Man, tough enough to withstand Iron Man's repulsor blasts (in what was Tony's fourth suit of armor), had enhanced reflexes and speed, and was provided with a jet-belt for flight. Erik Josten never seemed quite as good, though Power Man had been a street tough, ex-solider, and mercenary, so presumably was a much more experienced fighter than Simon Williams (a physically fit businessman prior to his transformation). After Wonder Man was revived, he got more and more powerful as his body was more suffused with "ionic" energy.

The early Luke Cage was once "officially" said to only be able to lift/press 3 tons, but given he went toe-to-toe with Spider-Man, he really should have been closer to the 10 ton mark (problematically, Cage mostly fought non-powered human tough guys, like Cottonmouth). So I'd peg the early Power Man in the 5 to 10 ton mark.

All my best.
Marvel strength was kind of wonky back in the 60s, and generally more down to Earth. It started to scale up in the late 60s/early 70s, but there was a time when Spider-Man was considered the 4th strongest hero in Marvel after Thor, the Hulk and the Thing. They were likely a lot closer to the actual OHOTMU Strength Class system then, but it didn't stay that way.
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Hank Pym

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HENRY "HANK" PYM- Avengest West Coast Assistant
Created By:
Stan Lee, Larry Lieber & Jack Kirby
First Appearance: Tales to Astonish #27 (Jan. 1962)
Role: The Failed Hero, Never Live It Down Guy (aka The Wifebeater), Growing Guy, Shrinking Guy, Third-Place Scientist
Group Affiliations: The Avengers, The Defenders, Avengers Academy
Avengers Grade: C-Level
PL 9 (174)
STRENGTH
1 STAMINA 2 AGILITY 3
FIGHTING 6 DEXTERITY 4
INTELLIGENCE 8 AWARENESS 2 PRESENCE 1

Skills:
Athletics 4 (+6) -- Flaws: Limited to Riding
Close Combat (Unarmed) 3 (+9)
Deception 4 (+5)
Expertise (Science) 9 (+17)
Insight 3 (+5)
Investigation 4 (+6)
Perception 2 (+4)
Persuasion 3 (+4)
Sleight of Hand 2 (+6)
Stealth 4 (+7)
Technology 7 (+15)
Treatment 3 (+5)

Advantages:
Equipment (Science Stuff), Fast Grab, Improved Grab, Improved Hold, Inventor, Power Attack, Ranged Attack 4, Set-Up, Teamwork, Ultimate Skill 2 (Science, Technology)

Powers:
"Pym's Suit" (Flaws: Removable) [13]
Force Field 4 (4)
Immunity 4 (Suffocation 2, Vacuum, Pressure) (Flaws: Limited to Half an Hour) (2)
"Jet Pack" Flight 5 (60 mph) (10)
-- (16 points)

"Pym's Gadgets"
"Tiny Devices He Can Grow Large" (Flaws: Removable) [34]
Variable 6 (any gadget) (42 points)

Typical Devices:
"Net" Snare 9 (27)
"Sleep Gas" Affliction 8 (Fort; Fatigued/Exhausted/Asleep) (Feats: Reach 2) (Extras: Area- Cloud, Cumulative) (26)
"Flying Stun-Guns" Affliction 7 (Fort; Dazed/Stunned/Incapacitated) (Feats: Homing 2, Split 2) (Extras: Ranged, Cumulative) (25)

Shrinking 10 (Extras: Attack) (Flaws: Side-Effect- Fort Damage) [20]
Immunity 1 (Own Gadgets) [1]

Offense:
Unarmed +9 (+1 Damage, DC 16)
Net +8 (+9 Ranged Affliction, DC 19)
Sleep Gas +7 Area (+7 Affliction, DC 17)
Stun-Guns +8 (+7 Ranged Affliction, DC 17)
Initiative +3

Defenses:
Dodge +8 (DC 18), Parry +8 (DC 18), Toughness +2, Fortitude +5, Will +5
"Smallest Size" Dodge +13 (DC 23), Parry +13 (DC 23), Toughness +2, Fortitude +5, Will +5

Complications:
Reputation (Wifebeater)- He once smacked Jan while undergoing a mental breakdown. He still hasn't lived it down.
Reputation (Pymsuck)- Pym is known as a possibly-deranged loser amongst the super-community. He smacked his wife, lost to dozens of guys, and created The Avengers' worst enemy.

Total: Abilities: 56 / Skills: 46--23 / Advantages: 14 / Powers: 68 / Defenses: 13 (174)

-Hank as a Gadget Guy came about in the Avengers West Coast days, as the writers kind of gave him a background de-push. Not wanting to use him as Giant-Man anymore, he became a Gadget-user who had a bunk of shrunken-down stuff that could do almost anything. This proved popular with some fans, but since this is COMICS, the very next writer who came along no doubt went "but hey- isn't Hank a Giant guy?" and immediately changed him back, re-writing the old "Heart Attacks When He Shrinks" Side-Effect and fixing it somehow. Mark Gruenwald once referred to stuff like this as being part of what makes comics too complicated, and how we should kill off overly-complex guys like that. We can only dream...

-He's mostly typified by having less powers (he can still Shrink, but it might give him a heart attack- a Side-Effect), and can throw Variable Power out there. He's a lower PL, but still quite expensive thanks to the... expensiveness, of Variable Power.
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The Wasp

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THE WASP (Janet Van Dyne)
Created By:
Stan Lee & Jack Kirby
First Appearance: Tales to Astonish #44 (June 1963)
Role: The Tagalong, The Girlfriend (to Hank), The Ditz, The Break-Out Leader
Group Affiliations: The Avengers, The Lady Liberators
Avengers Grade: B-Level
PL 10 (184)
STRENGTH
1/3 STAMINA 2 AGILITY 4
FIGHTING 8 DEXTERITY 2
INTELLIGENCE 2 AWARENESS 3 PRESENCE 4

Skills:
Aerobatics 10 (+14)
Close Combat (Unarmed) 2 (+10)
Deception 4 (+8)
Expertise (Fashionista/Businesswoman) 6 (+8)
Expertise (Pop Culture) 2 (+4)
Insight 3 (+6)
Investigation 2 (+5)
Perception 4 (+7)
Persuasion 5 (+9)
Ranged Combat (Wasp Stings) 8 (+12)
Stealth 2 (+6)

Advantages:
Accurate Attack, Beginner's Luck, Benefit (Wealth), Daze (Persuasion), Evasion 2, Hide in Plain Sight, Improved Aim, Improved Critical (Wasp Sting), Improved Defense, Improved Disarm, Improved Initiative, Improved Smash, Power Attack, Ranged Attack 2, Set-Up, Teamwork, Uncanny Dodge

Powers:
"Pym Particles"
"Small Size"
Shrinking 16 (+8 Dodge/Parry, +16 Stealth, -8 Intimidation) (Extras: Normal Strength) [48]
"Higher Density" Enhanced Strength 2 (Flaws: Limited to Small Size) [2]
"Tiny Sized Fighting" Enhanced Advantages 2: Close Attack 2 (Flaws: Limited to Smaller Sizes) [2]
"Wasp Wings" Flight 5 (60 mph) (Flaws: Winged) [5]

"Wasp Stings" Blast 8 (Feats: Split) [17]

Offense:
Unarmed +10 (+1 Damage, DC 16)
Small Size +12 (+3 Damage, DC 18)
Wasp Stings +12 (+8 Ranged Damage, DC 23)
Initiative +8

Defenses:
Dodge +10 (DC 20), Parry +10 (DC 20), Toughness +2, Fortitude +6, Will +7
"Small Size" Dodge +18 (DC 28), Parry +18 (DC 28), Toughness +2, Fortitude +6, Will +7

Complications:
Relationship (Hank Pym)- Somehow, he made her fall for him. Somehow. They were together, then married, then divorced, then kinda together again. Then she died.
Relationship (Alex Summers- Havok)- Jan & Havok hooked up during The Uncanny Avengers, and even had a daughter in the future.
Responsibility (Fashion Business)- The Wasp has a reputation to maintain, and thus rarely wears the same costume twice (especially under George Perez).
Vulnerable (Small Size)- Despite her added defenses at small size, Jan is highly-vulnerable to such comparatively-large targets. The smaller she gets, the more vulnerable she is- she treats all attacks from human-sized targest as Area Attacks if she is Shrinking 12 or smaller.

Total: Abilities: 52 / Skills: 48--24 / Advantages: 18 / Powers: 74 / Defenses: 16 (184)

The Wasp- Accidentally Iconic:
-The Wasp's history started out pretty badly- as the girlfriend to the lamest hero on the Avengers, but she's grown into either a Marvel Limbo denizen or a fantastic secondary leader of the Avengers, depending on which writers are in power at any given time. Her link to Hank Pym is a semi-terminal weakness, but she makes up for it in pluck, determination, and an ability to not seem like a COMPLETELY crappy choice as leader whenever Cap isn't available (she gradually came into her own as a leader, which is why her run is more beloved than Monica Rambeau's, I think). But yeah, what a weak start. A 1960s fashionista, she made epically stupid decisions left and right, and made sure nobody would ever mistake Stan Lee for a feminist, despite any liberal leanings he had (look at his Nixon parodies in some books, or the time a Conservative politician in Spider-Man was revealed to be a bigoted supporter of hate groups). Poor woman got more hysterical every issue than a whole gaggle of Deanna Trois.

-So the "Winsome Wasp", as she was called, was a socialite and the daughter of a scientist who was working with Hank Pym- the man was killed by aliens, and Janet Van Dyne was given powers by Hank, turning them into a superheroic duo- she could shrink like him, but also could fly thanks to tiny wings on her back that stayed the same size as she shrank, letting her fly. There ended up being a thing where Janet loved Hank, but Hank was all "NO, I SHALL NOT LOVE THEE!" owing to her resemblance to his dead first wife- one of those classic "Gotta keep the hero celibate" 1960s tropes. Initially lacking offensive weapons, she'd use her wits, tiny pins to hurt people, and an air-gun. She would be one of the first Avengers, even naming the team while brainstorming to herself ("Like the AVENGERS, or..." "Or nothing! That's it! The Avengers!"), but would temporarily leave after a year or so, getting hurt.

-It would be the late '60s that saw her and Hank finally get married, as he goes a bit nuts and creates the Yellowjacket persona- in a bizarre moment, Jan's all "Alright, lets get married!" because the clearly mentally-ill Hank at least wants to settle down- something she'd been bugging him to do for ages. This leads to the 1970s, where she & Yellowjacket are partners, and she eventually gains a bio-electric "Wasp's Sting" to make her a bit more combat-capable (a similar thing happened to Susan Richards as the Invisible Girl). Around this time, George Perez began a running gag that the fashion maven would change her costume in every issue ("It became a joke. In the case of the Wasp, I noticed that she has so many costumes that eventually I said 'Why not?' I think I was on the book long enough what was once just a little bit of idiosyncrasy about the character became fully part of the character's persona").

The JanSlap- Hank Goes Nuts & Wasp Gets Good:
-Janet eventually becomes concerned that the man she married while he was undergoing a schizophrenic attack is *gasp* MENTALLY UNSTABLE, and he ends up slapping her it a manic fit. At story's end, she divorces him, though they eventually become amicable when he improves himself and makes amends, clearing his name. She leaves the Avengers for a bit, but actually returns and becomes CHAIRPERSON, thus actually becoming the leader of the team! This ended up being an oddly natural fit, as Jan's strong personality and non-showy powers were fine for the job, and most of the other "senior" members were busy with their own titles' stuff. She earns praise from other characters, justifies it a bit, and adds She-Hulk & Monica Rambeau to the team to increase the female presence. Along the way, she dates Tony Stark in a whirlwind relationship, finding out only now that he's Iron Man- this would be the mid to late 1980s. She breaks it off when she finds out, as he's a friend & colleague of her ex-husband. She also briefly dates the mercenary Paladin, then kind of gets unceremoniously removed from leadership during The Secret Wars- as all the heroes assembled know Captain America best, she cedes leadership to him so that new readers kind of know the "proper way of things". Writer Jim Shooter doesn't stop there, as he has her shack up with MAGNETO as the villain teases reforming, but at least she gets to showcase her skill by deftly avoiding him and all the X-Men at once during a scrap.

-Wasp continues to lead the team during Roger Stern's tenure, including mounting the rescue during Under Siege, defeating Titania & The Absorbing Man and saving the captured Avengers from Baron Zemo's Masters of Evil. Unfortunately, this would be the end of her tenure, as she quickly leaves and joins Roy Thomas's West Coast Avengers squad as a supporting member- she nominates Rambeau to replace her (Stern's big to-do in his run on Avengers was to make Monica happen. Naturally, she was gone as soon as he was). Important things were afoot, however, as she rekindles her relationship with Hank, also on the WCA, probably because Thomas remembered them from the '60s and preferred that.

Avengers Forever & Beyond:
-Jane rejoins the main Avengers team, dying during the Onslaught crisis and returning with the others- she's a backgrounder during much of Kurt Busiek's run, but he gets a lot of mileage out of her strength of character, and even shockingly makes her the leader of the Avengers during Avengers Forever, a master-stroke of Continuity Porn. Much is made of her skill, as her lack of dominating personality actually enables the heroes to act unpredictably and creatively- Captain America, who is on the team but lacks confidence at this point in his life (he is recruited after he sees the President of the United States commit suicide after being found out as the leader of the Secret Empire), and thus cannot effectively lead. The team makes it out of the "Destiny War" unscathed, and she takes command of the Avengers during the end of Busiek's run, including the "Kang War".

-Unfortunately... then came CHUCK AUSTEN. Who writes Janet as an immature doofus (boo!) who grows to giant size (HOORAY!) and bones Hawkeye (boo again!). She's in Busiek's phenomenal JLA/Avengers, re-living the "JanSlap" incident again as a supporting cast member. She quits the Avengers during Disassembled, but leads a group of heroes during the odd Beyond! story, and then she & Hank split up for good. She is pro-Registration during Civil War, but a minor character in that, and fights Ultron, who at this point looks like her (because Frank Cho was drawing and wanted more boobs in the story). And then she suffers one of the more pointless deaths in comic book history, she dies at the end of Secret Invasion, as an almost spiteful move by the Skrulls, who use her as a "Bio-Bomb" to kill the assembled heroes- Thor warps her out of space to save everyone. Her death is mourned greatly by Hank, who deals with it during Mighty Avengers (in which he takes her name as the second "Wasp") and Avengers Academy (which features Korvac's wife returning after Hank tries to draw Janet from her space-warp).

The Pointless Resurrection:
-And that was where things got that odd kind of "Pointless Modern-Day Stories" that you see a lot of now. After all that weird nonsense and jumping around, Janet is actually NOT dead and is brought back from the Microverse (where it turns out she'd been cast to). She then ends up latched onto the "Avengers Unity Squad" idea in The Uncanny Avengers, now Rick Remender's baby... and we get that REALLY WEIRD COUPLING where her and Havok turn out to be destined to be together after all this time (Havok had the exact same thing happen in Austen's X-Men, too, oddly). Except Remender fumbled the ball during the relationship by having them meet up, court, marry and breed OFF-PANEL, because of time shenanigans from Kang. And that renders the whole thing emotionless and pointless, as the CHARACTERS all act like they're one true loves and their daughter Katie is the best thing ever, but since we never SAW any of this, it falls flat as hell. Aftera bunch of stuff, Havok is disfigured, he & Janet help save the Earth, and Katie is wiped out or something- Immortus, in gratitude for their help, tells them he has a plan to "save" Katie- they must conceive her on a certain date to bring her into the modern timestream. But then they do the AXIS event, where everyone switches alignment, and Havok remains evil at the end of it, thus missing the "conception date"- he and Wasp pretty well never interact again.

-Subsequently, Janet goes back into "Comics Limbo", frequently popping up here and there- while she was dead, a NEW Wasp was created in Nadia Pym, and Hank himself was killed, leaving Janet sort of "orphaned" in a way. She did some stuff with Girl-Wolverine, fought the merged Ultron/Hank, and finally joined Jason Aaron's Avengers book as one of many "aide" characters who could help out the team.

Janet Overall:
-Janet Van Dyne has thus ended up one of the most storied supporting characters in comics, and the rare character who is neither extremely popular (and thus could get her own book) nor UNPOPULAR (in that she's over-pushed or actively hated). She's a perfectly-good, normal, everyday SUPER-HERO, with heroic traits, a big personality, and a lot of gumption. She slots in perfectly as either a supporting cast member, a team member, or even a TEAM LEADER- in this, she's actually ideal for the job, as her un-flashy powers aren't that great, and so as a leader she actually has something to do! And while she's been through the ringer as much as any character since 2000 or so, having had her ex-husband die, get into and out of a serious relationship with Havok, lose a child, and get a Successor Hero while she was also active as a heroine, none of it's really STUCK to her and made her unusable in a way that would stick to other characters.

-She was one of the best parts of the Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes cartoon ("*gasp* I for-GOT you talked!") as a sassy, loudmouthed, snarky cute-as-a-button Team Weirdo, but the MCU movies turned her into a much older character- Hank Pym's stunning wife played by Michelle Pfeiffer. She's been eclipsed like a hundred times over by the OTHER women in Marvel by this point, though, so she's just not packing the name value she used to- Ms. Marvel, Spider-Woman, Storm, Rogue, Jean Grey, Emma Frost, etc., are all way bigger and more important in the long run, despite Jan coming way ahead of the pack as far as her first appearance goes. And though both her & Hank being turned into comparative non-combatants in the movies will probably hurt their comic selves for a GOOD long while, at least Jan is still around.

The Wasp's Powers:
-Janet is a classic PL 10 Blaster, with the side-effect of being extraordinarily small and hard to hit, moreso than even Spider-Man. She has shown signs of greater weakness before (The Legion of the Unliving's Bucky- which is presumably NOT the original one anymore because of funny continuity- killed her with a couple punches). She's more accurate than damaging with her "Stings", but her key thing is defense. It is damn near IMPOSSIBLE to hit her. Sometimes she's been shown growing, but it's so rare that it's basically a Hero Point expenditure 99% of the time.

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THE WASP I (Janet Van Dyne)- Modern-Day Powered-Up Version
Created By:
Stan Lee & Jack Kirby
First Appearance: Tales to Astonish #44 (June 1963)
Role: The Tagalong, The Girlfriend (to Hank), The Ditz, The Break-Out Leader
Group Affiliations: The Avengers, The Lady Liberators
Avengers Grade: B-Level
PL 11 (199)
STRENGTH
1/3/12 STAMINA 2 AGILITY 4
FIGHTING 8 DEXTERITY 2
INTELLIGENCE 2 AWARENESS 3 PRESENCE 4

Skills:
Aerobatics 10 (+14)
Close Combat (Unarmed) 2 (+10)
Deception 4 (+8)
Expertise (Fashionista/Businesswoman) 6 (+8)
Expertise (Pop Culture) 2 (+4)
Insight 3 (+6)
Investigation 2 (+5)
Perception 4 (+7)
Persuasion 5 (+9)
Ranged Combat (Wasp Stings) 8 (+12)
Stealth 2 (+6)

Advantages:
Accurate Attack, Beginner's Luck, Benefit (Wealth), Daze (Persuasion), Evasion 2, Hide in Plain Sight, Improved Aim, Improved Critical (Wasp Sting), Improved Defense, Improved Disarm, Improved Initiative, Improved Smash, Power Attack, Ranged Attack 2, Set-Up, Teamwork, Uncanny Dodge

Powers:
"Pym Particles"
Small Size (61) -- [62]
  • AE: Large Size (40)
"Large Size- Over 100 Feet Tall"
Growth 11 (Str & Sta +11, +11 Mass, +5 Intimidation, -5 Dodge/Parry) -- (48 feet) (22)
Growth +6 (+17 Mass, +8 Intimidation, -8 Dodge/Parry, +2 Speed, -17 Stealth) -- (120 feet) (Flaws: Limited to Non-Str & Sta Increases) (6)
Speed 2 (30 mph) (2)
"Giant-Sized Fists & Feet" Strength-Damage +0 (Extras: Area- 30ft. Burst on 11 Ranks) (11) -- (12)
Close Combat -2 (-2)
Enhanced Dodge & Parry 2 (Flaws: Limited to Top Size) (2)

"Alternate Sizes"
Growth 4 (Str & Sta +4, +4 Mass, +2 Intimidation, -2 Dodge/Parry, -4 Stealth) -- (12 feet) (12)
Growth 8 (Str & Sta +8, +8 Mass, +4 Intimidation, -4 Dodge/Parry, +1 Speed, -8 Stealth) -- (24 feet) (16)
Growth 10 (Str & Sta +10, +10 Mass, +5 Intimidation, -5 Dodge/Parry, +1 Speed, -10 Stealth) -- (36 feet) (20)
Growth 11 (Str & Sta +11, +11 Mass, +5 Intimidation, -5 Dodge/Parry, +1 Speed, -11 Stealth) -- (42 feet) (22)

"Small Size"
Shrinking 16 (+8 Dodge/Parry, +16 Stealth, -8 Intimidation) (Extras: Normal Strength) (48)
"Tiny Sized Fighting" Enhanced Advantages 2: Close Attack 2 (Flaws: Limited to Smaller Sizes) (1)
"Wasp Wings" Flight 5 (60 mph) (10)
Movement 1 (Dimensional Travel- Microverse) (2)

"Wasp Stings" Blast 8 (Feats: Split) [17]
Affliction 4 (Will; Dazed/Compelled/Controlled) (Extras: Cumulative, Area- 60ft. Burst +2) (Flaws: Limited to Insects -2) [8]
Comprehend 2 (Speak to & Understand Animals) (Flaws: Limited to Insects) [2]

Offense:
Unarmed +10 (+1 Damage, DC 16)
Small Size +12 (+3 Damage, DC 18)
Wasp Stings +12 (+8 Ranged Damage, DC 23)
Unarmed +10 (+1 Damage, DC 16)
Growth 8 +10 (+9 Damage, DC 24)
Growth 10 +10 (+11 Damage, DC 26)
Growth 11 +10 (+12 Damage, DC 27)
Full Size +8 (+15 Damage, DC 30)
Giant Fists & Feet +11 Area (+11 Damage, DC 26)
Initiative +8

Defenses:
Dodge +10 (DC 20), Parry +10 (DC 20), Toughness +2, Fortitude +6, Will +7
"Small Size" Dodge +18 (DC 28), Parry +18 (DC 28), Toughness +2, Fortitude +6, Will +7
"Full Size" Dodge +5 (DC 15), Parry +5 (DC 15), Toughness +13, Fortitude +15, Will +7

Complications:
Relationship (Hank Pym)- Somehow, he made her fall for him. Somehow. They were together, then married, then divorced, then kinda together again. Then she died.
Relationship (Alex Summers- Havok)- Jan & Havok hooked up during The Uncanny Avengers, and even had a daughter in the future.
Responsibility (Fashion Business)- The Wasp has a reputation to maintain, and thus rarely wears the same costume twice (especially under George Perez).
Vulnerable (Small Size)- Despite her added defenses at small size, Jan is highly-vulnerable to such comparatively-large targets. The smaller she gets, the more vulnerable she is- she treats all attacks from human-sized targest as Area Attacks if she is Shrinking 12 or smaller.

Total: Abilities: 52 / Skills: 48--24 / Advantages: 18 / Powers: 89 / Defenses: 16 (199)

-Wasp can apparently now grow to super-large sizes, as well as talk to insects. This will inevitably disappear in every other story, but whatever, it's a thing.
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Re: Jab’s Builds! (Sett-Ra! Hank Pym Builds! The Wasp!)

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I am disappointed you don't have more pictures of giant size Wasp. 😋
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Re: Jab’s Builds! (Sett-Ra! Hank Pym Builds! The Wasp!)

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scc wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:19 pm I am disappointed you don't have more pictures of giant size Wasp. 😋
The rest probably aren't suitable for sharing on this board
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Re: Jab’s Builds! (Sett-Ra! Hank Pym Builds! The Wasp!)

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Shock wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:30 pm
scc wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:19 pm I am disappointed you don't have more pictures of giant size Wasp. 😋
The rest probably aren't suitable for sharing on this board
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Re: Jab’s Builds! (Sett-Ra! Hank Pym Builds! The Wasp!)

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its interesting that they played around with the Dr Hank Shrinking and growing stuff in the Antman and Antman and Wasp movies,
Dr. Silverback has wryly observed that this is like trying to teach lolcats about Shakespeare

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Re: Jab’s Builds! (Sett-Ra! Hank Pym Builds! The Wasp!)

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FuzzyBoots wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:53 pm
Shock wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:30 pm
scc wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:19 pm I am disappointed you don't have more pictures of giant size Wasp. 😋
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Thanks! I have seen that before.
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Re: Jab’s Builds! (Sett-Ra! Hank Pym Builds! The Wasp!)

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Shock wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:30 pm
scc wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:19 pm I am disappointed you don't have more pictures of giant size Wasp. 😋
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For the most part yeah. ;-)
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Re: Yellowjacket (Hank Pym)

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Jabroniville wrote: Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:01 pm Image

YELLOWJACKET I (Henry "Hank" Pym)


God, he sucks....

BUT...

Yellowjacket is the version of Pym that sucks least. I have always liked that costume, even if the entity contained therein is an abomination of a travesty of a....a...PYM!!! :evil:
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The PDF

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THE PEOPLE'S DEFENSE FORCE:
-This gang of Morts appeared in West Coast Avengers #33, and share something in common- they're all terrible Hank Pym villains, created in the mediocre Tales to Astonish series (home of the most half-assed, goofy Lee/Kirby/Lieber concepts; they saved their A-game for the big-tier books). Most are too goofy to pass for anything but a joke, but that's what makes them so fun. They formed in Eastern Europe to confound Pym once again, and are allied with Quicksilver (being controlled by Maximus the Mad of The Inhuman Royal Family), and are stopped by... MODAM? Really?
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El Toro

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EL TORO (Antonio Rojo)
Created By:
Stan Lee & Don Heck
First Appearance: Tales to Astonish #54 (April 1964)
Role: Forgotten Villains, Goofy Villain, Would-Be Dictator
Group Affiliation: The People's Defense Force
PL 5 (58)
STRENGTH
3 STAMINA 4 AGILITY 0
FIGHTING 6 DEXTERITY 2
INTELLIGENCE 2 AWARENESS 1 PRESENCE 3

Skills:
Athletics 3 (+6)
Deception 1 (+4)
Expertise (Dictator) 2 (+4)
Persuasion 2 (+5)

Advantages:
Benefit 3 (Dictator), Equipment (Goofy Hat), Improved Critical (Headbutt), Ranged Attack 2

Equipment:
"Goofy Hat" Strength-Damage +1 (1)

Offense:
Unarmed +6 (+3 Damage, DC 18)
Goofy Hat +6 (+4 Damage, DC 19)
Initiative +0

Defenses:
Dodge +5 (DC 15), Parry +6 (DC 16), Toughness +4, Fortitude +4, Will +2

Complications:
Motivation (Power)

Total: Abilities: 42 / Skills: 8--4 / Advantages: 6 / Powers: 0 / Defenses: 6 (58)

-Yes, THIS is the type of guy Hank Pym ended up fighting in the 1960s. The guy wears a HELMET WITH TINY HORNS ON IT, and is the General/Dictator of a small South American Republic. He ended up capturing The Wasp and stunning Giant-Man, but Pym was able to side-step his next running charge attempt (he's GIANT-MAN! Just frickin' punch him out or something!), and he ended up hanging from a flagpole outside the window, and was then deposed for faking the election. In the WCA story, he ended up hammering Tigra in the kidneys with his stupid hat, but still lost the fight.
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Re: Jab’s Builds! (Sett-Ra! Hank Pym Builds! The Wasp!)

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FuzzyBoots wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:53 pm
Shock wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:30 pm
scc wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:19 pm I am disappointed you don't have more pictures of giant size Wasp. 😋
The rest probably aren't suitable for sharing on this board
From Dude, Where's My Car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYUCzkcSQB0
An underappreciated classic
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