Re: Jab's Builds! (Chaos! Blizzard! Slashfang! Necrosan! Gargoyles!)
Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:00 am
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Not that there's anything wrong with that.Jabroniville wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:02 am I just want it noted, I am not gay for Keith David. At all. I don't want to hear that smooth baritone in my ear as I get massaged by those big, strong arms...
Yeah, this is a good way of looking at it. It never hit the sheer PEAKS of Avatar or Batman: TAS, but it had far less variability of greatness- being good the whole way through (until the non-canonical third season). The animation quality was often MUCH better than most of its contemporaries, being filmed at Disney Studios Japan, which was the "A" of the A-List studios. Batman, while beautifully shot, never got THAT good. Great directors; worse animators.Ares wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:20 pm Definitely looking forward to this. Gargoyles is definitely one of the best tv series (animated or not) ever, and probably my favorite television show of all time. I do agree that other shows have an edge on it in certain respects (better fight choreography, consistently better animation, better humor, etc.) but Gargoyles overall balance makes it a superior show.
Batman: TAS, for instance, has some of the strongest single episodes in all of television, but there are some forgettable ones, and the revamped episodes once they brought in Tim Drake suffered a huge decline in quality. Moreover, Batman: TAS never really allowed for story-arcs, character growth and the like. Similarly, Avatar had a strong myth arc, but it's first seasons of both Last Airbender and Korra both suffered from growing pains and trying to find their feet. The Simpsons is funnier, but has begun to collapse under the weight of its own bloated run. Overall it's hard to think of a show that does everything Gargoyles does so well. It's like the Jack of All Trades of TV shows: there are people who might be a little smarter, a little funnier, a little stronger, but no one who combines it'
Gargoyle's biggest problem, to me, was that third season no one likes to talk about, which had all of two good episodes: the last one written by Greg Weisman, and the one where Hudson is going blind and gets some help from his blind friend, who reveals he figured out Hudson was a Gargoyle.
Overall though, Gargoyles is an excellent series, and one I definitely include in any "merged" settings I do. It's a very unique blend of urban-fantasy, sci-fi and pseudo-superheroes, being almost pulp-esque in certain respects.
I associated Gabriel (from Avalon) and his ilk (like Demona's "Second Clan") as the "Generic Gargoyle Size". A very "Heroic" Comic Book Physique, while the Manhattan Trio were deliberately kept a bit more strange and "kiddie" so that younger audience would enjoy them, and older ones would see them as "innocent" (Lex & Broadway have big, goofy "muzzles"; Lex is tiny; Broadway is fat; Brooklyn is very slim compared to Gargoyles and humans alike). I'd imagine Brooklyn MIGHT hit the "Gabriel Size" eventually. Broadway is an unknown- he seems like he'll grow up into a powerhouse like Hudson probably was in his youth (they are father and son, after all). But he'll probably always be weaker than Goliath in "M&M Stats", and in the show's stats.Ares wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:58 am Thinking about it, it's kind of hard to figure out what an "average" gargoyle is in terms of strength. Goliath is considered powerful even by gargoyle standards, so he's definitely not standard. There were gargoyles with a similar build, such as Leo, Kai and possibly even Broadway when he fully matures and loses some weight.
You had other gargoyles who were slimmer but still appropriately heroic in build, like Griff and Yama, and most gargoyle women had a similar build. I'm guessing those are the "averages" for a gargoyle, and that Brooklyn would be one with slightly below average strength in exchange for slightly above average speed/agility, whereas Lex is noticeably smaller and faster.
Yup- during the infamous episode where it's Halloween, Fox is transformed into a monster, and the Gargoyles take advantage of the holiday to travel among the humans. Elisa decides to go to a dance with Goliath... wearing the all-time sexiest look in history.
Piper also put him over in an interview about being awesome. That Keith was not only a big guy, but due to years of dance he was also remarkably agile and light on his feet.Spectrum wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:03 am So.. most people know the 80s action sci fi movie
A lot of the time, they think of this guy
Mr "I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass. And I'm all out of bubblegum." Rowdy Roddy Piper.
Fewer people think of his partner:
Yeah, that's Keith David. That's the guy that played Goliath. That's the guy with the incredible voice.
That's the guy that has been in Marvel's New Warriors, Greenleaf, Stretch Armstrong and the Flex Fighters, Rick and Morty, The Flash, Young Justice and many many more. IMDB has 283 acting credits for him since 1979.
Yeah, that's the guy.
he actually did a comics documentary. I can't remember which one it was (Comic Heroes Unmasked maybe) but it was awesomeJabroniville wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:11 am He lends his totally not-sexy voice to countless documentaries as well, plus he was the "is it the frank or the beans?" stepdad in There's Something About Mary.