The Jabverse: An O.C. Thread (Cyber-Samurai, Lady of the Eternal Winter)

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Every time I think about Olympians, pantheons in general, is that 2000ish year gap. And how, despite humanity moving on about their ways, changing without gods, that the gods are still stuck in their ways.
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Not entirely. Of course, as these faiths have not being active for a long time, there was not much dynamism there, but one can observe godly changes over time from when these figures were still commonly worshiped by large populations, or in ancient religious traditions that never stopped (again, Hindu for instance)

Heck, Ares/Mars are a great example (if you take them to be the same entity), with the later being a much more mature and respectable "god of war and agriculture", second only to Zeus/Jupiter in the pantheon, and representing military might more as a way to secure peace instead of the slaughter-happy approach of Ares.
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danelsan wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:12 pm Heck, Ares/Mars are a great example (if you take them to be the same entity), with the later being a much more mature and respectable "god of war and agriculture", second only to Zeus/Jupiter in the pantheon, and representing military might more as a way to secure peace instead of the slaughter-happy approach of Ares.
Ares didn't change. The Romans already had Mars, who was one of their chief gods, when they conquered Greece and decided there was a 1:1 correlation between their gods and the Greeks' gods (although, there really isn't. Religions are complicated things, as much as we gamers like to break them down into understandable chunks for our games). Ares got kind of a makeover because he was identified as the Greek Mars, but that's not quite the same thing as Ares actually changing. Julius Caesar would do the same thing in Gaul, which is why there's a Celtic Mars and a Celtic Jupiter and so on.

I thought it was really interested that the DCU had separate groups of Greek and Roman gods for an awfully long time. It made the Wonder Woman part of the universe much more diverse and complex (and sadly, therefore confusing) than Thor's corner of the Marvel Universe.

Athene is a interesting case - clearly one of the most popular deities in ancient Greece, but also still a woman in a society that was clearly misogynistic. So she couldn't have been born of a woman - she had to spring forth fully formed from Zeus' head, so she would be as masculine as possible. She never had a husband, because that would have meant there was somebody in charge of her, and Athens couldn't have that. She's just a mass of contradictions, and I think that's part of why even us moderns are fascinated by her.

Definitely the Greek god(dess) most likely to play the Thor role on a team of heroes, though.
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Definitely the Greek god(dess) most likely to play the Thor role on a team of heroes, though
While I agree, I once used Artemis in that role for a setting, to go a bit outside the typical expectations. She may not imply the raw power of a war or storm deity, but we had her as a sort of super strong and tough Hawkeye with some magic powers, so she was still quite damn impressive.
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Yojimbo wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:23 pm
danelsan wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:12 pm Heck, Ares/Mars are a great example (if you take them to be the same entity), with the later being a much more mature and respectable "god of war and agriculture", second only to Zeus/Jupiter in the pantheon, and representing military might more as a way to secure peace instead of the slaughter-happy approach of Ares.
Ares didn't change. The Romans already had Mars, who was one of their chief gods, when they conquered Greece and decided there was a 1:1 correlation between their gods and the Greeks' gods (although, there really isn't. Religions are complicated things, as much as we gamers like to break them down into understandable chunks for our games). Ares got kind of a makeover because he was identified as the Greek Mars, but that's not quite the same thing as Ares actually changing. Julius Caesar would do the same thing in Gaul, which is why there's a Celtic Mars and a Celtic Jupiter and so on.

I thought it was really interested that the DCU had separate groups of Greek and Roman gods for an awfully long time. It made the Wonder Woman part of the universe much more diverse and complex (and sadly, therefore confusing) than Thor's corner of the Marvel Universe.

Athene is a interesting case - clearly one of the most popular deities in ancient Greece, but also still a woman in a society that was clearly misogynistic. So she couldn't have been born of a woman - she had to spring forth fully formed from Zeus' head, so she would be as masculine as possible. She never had a husband, because that would have meant there was somebody in charge of her, and Athens couldn't have that. She's just a mass of contradictions, and I think that's part of why even us moderns are fascinated by her.

Definitely the Greek god(dess) most likely to play the Thor role on a team of heroes, though.
Exactly.

An easy short hand is that Ares was the god of the carnage of war; Athena was the goddess of martial skill. The Greeks generally didn't hold Ares all that highly.

In Etruscan Myth, Mars was was one of the BIG Three in there pantheon, and when the Romans conquered Greece, and started overlaying the Greek gods over there own, Ares really didn't make the transition. Mars was always better regarded by the Romans than Ares was by the Greeks.
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I'll get to it with Saturn, but they did the same thing with him, even turning the guy who ate his children into a beloved, party-inspiring, figure.
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Jabroniville wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2017 1:25 am
Horsenhero wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2017 1:19 am Medusa didn't "sleep" with Poseidon, she was raped by him. Athena's response was probably one of the greatest examples of "victim blaming" ever.

Still, I love your version of Athena. Very cool.
I wasn't sure how much of that (an addition by Ovid) I wanted to include. I'm sure there's a "version" that's sans-rape anyhow :).
Like you said, Greek Mythology has the worst continuity ever, and probably every sex scene featured in myth has a version where it's a) consensual, b) seduction and c) rape. The Arachne example is perfect for illustrating how the stories have changed over the years and don't line up. One of my favorite examples is Achilles, who went from an unstoppable warrior who got taken out by a shot to the ankle, to someone who was literally invulnerable to harm save for one weak spot.

It's one reason why translating mythological figures to comics is pretty easy. The myths themselves contradict, so you start out with a fairly wide selection of what you want to keep or discard, and then you can further handwave away issues by saying that the myths have the essence of the truth without all of the exact details.
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Eh. Most of all mythology is a crap-shoot anyways. I recall the professor of a mythology class I once took explaining it like this:

People tell stories for a reason. Either it's to explain something about why things are the way they are, to teach a moral or lesson, or just for entertainment. So, way back when stories were mostly told by people talking rather than reading, the stories changed with every telling, and were slightly adjusted to fit the situation. Like in Harry Potter, when Hermione is telling the tale of The Three Brothers, Ron interjected that his mother would change the time of day when the events occurred.

So, there is no original or true version to any story or myth or legend. Because by the time any of these stories get written down or recorded for posterity, they've usually been subjected to countless different story-tellers making edits and revisions to better suit their goals and/or audience, and thus what gets recorded for history has been altered from the first one who told the story.

It's just human nature that when the stories eventually get written down, there will end up being countless different versions of the same series of events, each with their similarities and differences that make it impossible to know which of them was "correct". The answer being: None Of Them.
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Never mind how many "Greek Gods" started off as Etruscan ones. A book I have details the similarities of the "Titanomachy" tale to more than one preceding myth around the Mediterranean Sea.
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All this talk of mythology is making my wait for Scion 2nd Edition even harder XD
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ARES (aka Mars, God of War)
Hgt:
6'5" (10'6" in God Form) Wgt: 850 lbs.
Role: God of War, Engine of Destruction
PL 12 (216)
STRENGTH
10 STAMINA 11 AGILITY 4
FIGHTING 10 DEXTERITY 2
INTELLIGENCE 0 AWARENESS 2 PRESENCE 4

Skills:
Athletics 4 (+14)
Deception 4 (+8)
Expertise (Military) 10 (+10)
Expertise (Science) 5 (+5)
Intimidation 9 (+13)
Perception 4 (+6)
Stealth 2 (+6)
Technology 10 (+10)

Advantages:
All-Out Attack, Assessment, Chokehold, Close Attack 2, Daze (Intimidation), Diehard, Fast Grab, Great Endurance, Improved Critical 6 (Guns 2, Swords 1, Spears 2, Unarmed 1), Improved Initiative, Improved Smash, Improved Hold, Improved Trip, Languages 3 (Multiple), Ranged Attack 10, Startle, Takedown 2

Powers:
"Alien Anatomy- Olympian"
"Immortal"
Immunity 7 (Aging, Poison, Disease, Hot, Cold, Pressure, Vacuum) [7]
Regeneration 8 (Feats: Regrows Limbs) [9]
Immortality 2 [4]
Power-Lifting 1 (50 tons) [1]
Features 1: Increased Mass [1]

"Olympian Size" Growth 2 (+2 Mass, +2 Intimidation, -0 Fighting/Dodge, -2 Stealth, Reach 1) -- (10 feet) (Flaws: Limited to Non-ST & STA Growths) [4]
Morph 2 (Any Male Form) [10]

"The Spear of Mars- Modifiable Weapon" (Flaws: Easily Removable) [23]
"Gun Form" Blast 12 (Extras: Penetrating 10) (34) -- (38 points)
  • AE: "Automatic Blaster" Blast 11 (Extras: Multiattack) (33)
    AE: "Spear Form" Strength-Damage +4 (Feats: Reach 2) (Extras: Secondary Effect 8, Penetrating 8) (Quirks: Ares Cannot Go Over +2 Damage) (19)
    AE: "Buzzsaw Form" Strength-Damage +4 (Feats: Reach) (Extras: Multiattack 12, Penetrating 8) (Quirks: Ares Cannot Go Over +2 Damage) (24)
    AE: "Power Beam" Damage 11 (Extras: Area- 60ft. Line +2) (33)
Offense:
Unarmed +12 (+10 Damage, DC 25)
Spear/Buzzsaw Form +12 (+12 Damage, DC 27)
Gun Form +12 (+11-12 Ranged Damage, DC 26-27)
Power Beam +11 Area (+11 Damage, DC 26)
Initiative +8

Defenses:
Dodge +10 (DC 20), Parry +10 (DC 20), Toughness +11, Fortitude +12, Will +7

Complications: 
Responsibility (Olympian Pride)- All Olympians are a bit prideful.
Motivation (War)- Ares simply likes to fight- the reasons are immaterial. Anything to make a battle more exciting is fine with him- he's even been known to degrade his powers and fight in mortal conflicts just for the sake of committing war. His love of battle is so intense that it often overwhelms his better judgment.
Responsibility (Temper)- Ares has little patience for tactics- he allowed this to subside while he acted as an agent of Roman domination, but eventually grew tired of it and reverted to his old ways.
Relationship (Earthlings)- Ares loves humanity as much as any God- not due to their innate goodness, but because of their capacity for bloodshed. In humanity, Ares sees kindred spirits.
Relationship (Warrior Cultures)- Ares loves the most warlike, conquering cultures on Earth most of all. He was an ardent supporter of the Romans, the Nazis and the Empire of Japan.
Relationship (Aphrodite)- Love & War have been in an ongoing love affair for centuries- it's more physical than anything, though they truly do find each other's dark impulses attractive.
Relationship (Eris)- Ares gets along with his sister better than with most of the other Olympians. Her manipulations may escape him, but they always lead to further bloodshed- nothing else matters. The two are partners in the battlefield, leading his army of followers, and have even had sex.
Relationship (Children)- Ares has countless children, most of whom are simply strong mortals. These Demigods form his Elite Squadron. Not sentimental in the slightest, Ares cares little for his many offspring, and does not mourn their deaths. He can always sire more.
Enemy (Athena)- Ares despises his forward-thinking, tactical sister, and has fought her physically numerous times- most-notably in the Trojan War and World War Two.

Total: Abilities: 86 / Skills: 48--24 / Advantages: 35 / Powers: 59 / Defenses: 12 (216)

Ares in Mythology: Ares is generally portrayed as one of the biggest ass-wipes of the entire Olympian Pantheon, even if their own mythology. He was "The Other Man" in the Hephaestus/Aphrodite marriage (and once got humiliated by Heph, getting trapped in an Unbreakable Net), a loser in The Trojan War (he jobbed to a HUMAN BEING thanks to the direct interference of Athena), bedder of his worshippers' women, and seen as the destructive, nasty side of War, whereas Athena was the smart and just side of it (Killing for Chaotic reasons and for the sake of killing, over Lawful reasons, effectively).  Ares joined Wars alongside Eris (Strife/Discord), Phobos & Deimos (Terror & Fear), and assorted other Gods/Concepts that are vague and not usually given personifications (Mischief, Angers, Threats, Treachery, Valour, Rage & Death- only the latter is really a God). He's fought countless other Gods (usually Athena & Hercules, who slew a swack of Ares' children). He was highly-sacred to Greeks, but also feared by them- they knew Athena was the "Good" side of War, but Ares represented what usually ended up happening.

-By contrast, the Romans REALLY loved Mars as their God of War, and fictionalk patriarch of their race. This left Mars as a major figure, free of Ares' catalogue of character flaws, though he kept his brutality (these people liked to crucify their victims; worshipping the God of Bloodshed isn't exactly out of character for them).


Ares- Godly Dickhole:
-Ares is among the most-disliked and cruel of the Gods- a warmonger with little desire beyond fighting. One of the truly-royal Gods born to the siblings Zeus & Hera, he should theoretically have been a great inheritor (as his father had been), but was instead possessed by an insane bloodlust. Ares was violent even as a child, and grew into a man with an incredible thirst for battle. The only thing he liked as much as battle was sex- he has as many offspring as any God, and with as many women. His most-popular affair was with Aphrodite, wife of his brother Hephaestus- the Gods of War & Love have carried on a torrid affair through the centuries, usually ending up back together after some quarrel or humiliation. She is the mother of Ares' most-powerful children- Phobos & Deimos, as well as his most-famous- Eros (aka Cupid).

-Ares often fought with other Gods- primarily Herakles and Athena, the most-noble of Zeus' children. He chafed over the fact that the Greeks viewed him as a simple-minded barbarian (a popular part of The Iliad featured him bested by the human Diomedes, wielding a spear "guided" by Athena herself, at Zeus' behest), and strove to make things better when they were conquered by another people- he was an architect of the early days of Rome, fathering the two founders Romulus & Remus, and led their early cult. Changing his name to "Mars" (taking it from a local "God" he'd slain), he demanded to be made a more-noble, righteous figure, with fewer flaws (he waged war to "secure peace"). This held for years, and Ares gleefully took his place as a Roman soldier in many battles, using the Roman way of life (creating war to fuel their economy) to allow him to bask in bloodshed endlessly over the centuries.

-Ares was among the most-disliked of the Olympians, but was kept around for reasons such as this- his warlike nature and aggression made him a powerful ally, and he could empower nearly any culture. He was brought to various primitive worlds and altered the course of their histories in similar manner (though he still preferred Earth). Rome and its descendents came to be some of the most powerful people on the Earth, having more ultimate importance that Athena's beloved Greeks- something that Ares could always boast about. Ares despised Athena for her love of wimpy things like "tactics" and "forethought"- he believed that War should be a savage, primal occupation. It was only his time in Ancient Rome that he discovered that a tactically-gifted army could run roughshod over the world, and adopted new beliefs.

Modern Ares:
-In modern times, Ares came to become a powerful ally of many of the world's most-vicious empires. He fought alongside the Muslim Empires as they covered the Middle East, Africa & Asia. When the Popes declared the Crusades, Ares joined them. He joined the Nazis as they strode across Europe, and fought for Japan in Asia, then switched sides after Midway, allowing himself the joy of cutting down his former allies in droves- delighting in how the Japanese refused to surrender to him. He took both human and God-like form in order to accomplish this. He brawled with his sister Athena most-viciously, and even came to ally with the Norse Gods- Nazi sympathizers- in the process. Emblazoning a swastika on his armor, he became notorious to modern-day humans, but was ultimately defeated in the Battle of Berlin. He fled to other worlds after the War, and would appear only sporadically over the next few decades.

-Ares holds no true allegiances for long- as his history suggests, he joins whichever army is winning, which is the one that lets him do the most damage (defenders rarely get to do as much killing), emblazoning their logos or flag symbols on a sashimono-like placard on his back. He refuses to use advanced technology against more primitive peoples- people consider this a point of honor with him, but it's actually because more ancient weaponry often prolongs the killing process. Plus, melee combat is more fun. His battles throughout history, on many worlds, means that he is directly responsible for more death than any being on Earth- only dictators making distant commands have killed more- and rarely personally.

Ares At War:
-Ares goes to war either as part of a horde, or leading an elite squadron of his own- he has many children, and these Demigods form his guard. Usually at his side (often preceding him into battle, so the enemy gets good and scared beforehand- running enemies are easier to cut down) are the terror-inducing Phobos & Deimos, along with his sisters Eris and Enyo (and sometimes his and Enyo's son, Enyalios). Following are a series of Demigods (generally no more powerful than exceptionally-gifted mortals), usually taking the names of their predecessors- the Murders, the Manslaughters, etc.

Jab's Notes: Ares is as natural a villain as you're ever gonna get in comics- a bloodthirsty War God. The trouble with him is that both companies have already used him, AND he was the main villain in "Xena: Warrior Princess"- he's had a lot of use in things people recognize. Marvel used him as a somewhat-lovable, violent goon; DC had him as a manipulative schemer with magical powers; and "Xena" featured him as similar to the DC one, but a bit more personal and direct. Resisting the urge to make him a similar "let's have everyone fight!" kind of guy, I decided to go more directly with how he was in the Myths- a violent warrior who had little to him beyond kicking ass and siring children. This leaves him rather one-note, but so be it- he's often more effective that way. I decided to place him throughout history as an agent of war, simply going on with whomever was winning- this makes him dishonorable as well as just plain rotten.

-I also made sure to include him in my "World War II"-era stuff, as where ELSE would you find the God of War? The first thing I really thought of when I was deciding what to do with Ares was him with Swastikas all over him, acting as a German agent. This makes him as disgusting as possible- seeing him tear across the battlefields of Europe, then Japan (which were so violent that even some NAZIS were horrified), only to get defeated and then turn on his former employers in the end. Then I extrapolated upon this, sending him across the stars in a similar role- I like the idea that various alien conflicts have also seen Ares turn up on the battlefield, possibly with his nutty offspring. The manipulative stuff is left ot his sister.


Divine Offspring:
With Aphrodite- Deimos (God of Fear), Phobos (God of Panic & Terror), Eros (God of Sexual Love), Harmonia (God of Harmony), Anteros (God of Love Reciprocated & Unreciprocated), Andrestia (??)
With Enyo- Enyalios (God of War)

Famous Mortal Offspring:
With Harmonia: The Amazons
With Others: Diomedes (the King with the carnivorous Horses), Hippolyta (Queen of the Amazons), Kyknos (Lord of Macedonia/Thessalia), Romulus & Remus (the founders of Rome)
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Ok, let's finish off those Agents of Aquarius!
Jabroniville wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:09 amGOBLIN SHARK (Osamu Nakanishi, aka Elegant V, Tengu Black)
I like the background on this guy. Too often I feel like hero/villain culture in other nations is little more than American superheroes with a nationalistic/ethnic stereotype paint job. I like the idea of unique national takes on the notion of superheroes, and then seeing that cross over into and clash with our own version of it. Be interesting to see how this guy would change once leaving the Agents.
Jabroniville wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:08 amCARPET SHARK (Clyde Thompson)
Heh, poor guy. Talk about bad luck. But I like the idea that he's this very professional, smart, rational-minded, level-headed guy...who is still a jobber anyway. Though considering his history, I wonder if he'd jump into another, better group if given the opportunity? Or alternatively, becoming a new Aquarius.
Jabroniville wrote: BARRACUDA (Thomas Hargreave)
Well this guy is nuts. Although its hard to think of a different way of doing a barracuda-themed character other than a vicious feral type. Also like the tie-in to the creator of the Dino Crew. Nice bit of continuity there.
Jabroniville wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2017 9:36 amMANTA RAY (Conrad Veidt)
Well, you already know this is one of my favorite of the lot, at least in terms of visual design. Also really dig the "hero turned villain" backstory there.
Jabroniville wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2017 7:04 amSAND TIGER (Arlo Thomas, aka Sand Trap)
Not much to say, but the power concept behind him is really cool, a neat twist on the elemental style characters like Sandman.
Jabroniville wrote: SIXGILL (Real Name Unknown)
Another favorite of mine. I like how he's technically not a member, just a side guy who is actually this very serious and competent villain on his own. Helps that he's probably one of the best looking of the bunch. Would be neat to see him play off of Aquarius, Manta Ray, and Carpet Shark.
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Yay! More comments on the Agents :)!
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Oh man, I'm so psyched- I used to obsessively read a site called greekmyth, finding it a less broad, more focused explanation of so much Greek stuff. Years after college I'd look for it, but find nothing. Turns out it just changed the name to mythman.com! That's a blast from the past. It's apparently a "homework help" site, but much more concise than theoi.com or Wikipedia.
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Jabroniville wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2017 4:37 amOIL SLICK (Oliver Brut)
I'm a big fan of elemental guys like Sandman or Clayface, so this guy appeals to me a lot. I like his array of tricks; makes him a difficult foe without being too powerful. Should be fun to watch fight and frustrate some heroes.
Jabroniville wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:38 amBRUTICAA
Oh Jab, never change. =P

Like how she's a simple, no frills ass-kicker. Sometimes, simple is best.

How is she with some of the other villains of the setting, or characters like Skyscraper and Titanica?
Jabroniville wrote: Sun Sep 24, 2017 6:14 amWAR PANGOLIN (Fernando Meloni, aka "The Pangolin")
Hm, I'dve figured he'd have his tail show up in his powers, at the very least adding some reach to his strength damage. Most pictures of pangolins that I've seen have shown some substantial length tails on them.
Jabroniville wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:11 amTHE OGRE (Harry Ogurson)
Very fun character. I like the combo of yellow and blue, which in this form I don't believe is all that common among supers characters, and the bald, long bearded fat guy makes him distinctive even without those colors. Also like how he's a fat guy whose powers aren't literally based around being fat, ala Blob. His backstory is also pretty neat and grounded in spite of his fantasy-rooted origins. Also, I always enjoy a "smart" brick type. Too many dumb ones out there.
Jabroniville wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:42 amBRICKHOUSE (Barney Brown)
I have similar thoughts here as with Oil Slick. Another fun elemental type, and I like what you did with his array. Would be fun to see this guy pair up with Oil Slick, or get a partner called "Mortar" or something to that effect.
Jabroniville wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:22 amCALAVERITA (Real Name Unknown)
Argh! You stole my design for Necrogirl! /sarcasm

Okay, all that aside, it's a great freaking design. And in general a really neat, ethnic/national take on the "caped crusader" archetype.


Next time, I'll tackle the Dog Pack. Arf arf!
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