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The Little Mermaid

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THE LITTLE MERMAID (1989):
Written by:
Hans Christian Andersen (original story), Roger Allers, Howard Ashman, Ron Clements & John Musker

-And now we come to the TRUE game-changer at the studio- the movie that started The Disney Renaissance, and helped define a decade. Coming out in the late 1980s after a series of "scratchy outline" movies and weaker faire, this Fairy Tale-based story had some work to do. Re-working a Bittersweet Ending Hans Christian Andersen story into a Happily Ever After plot, they basically went ALL-OUT with phenomenal animation, character design, songcraft (getting Broadway & Little Shop of Horrors alumni Alan Menken & Howard Ashman to do the work on that), and writing- critics noted that the movie came off as a full-bore Braodway Musical, complete with an ingenue, an "I Want" song, glorious villain songs, INCREDIBLE over-acting, and more. Basically, this movie rules, and you can totally see how they created a sensation. It pretty much helped knock Don Bluth off the platform as the pre-eminent family movie maker of the time, too.

Ariel's innovated the modern Typical Disney Princess, always wanting "More!", though they really make her quite petulant while sympathetic at the same time- it's a tricky balance to maintain (since those characters can be REALLY annoying), and it turns out that the best way to do it is to make the heroine as attractive as possible, with the largest eyes imaginable on a human face. I mean, there's Puppy Dog Eyes, and there's THIS. Combining Ariel's beauty (making both boys & girls appreciate the movie- girls like pretty heroines better than ugly ones, ya know) with some great sidekicks (the cowardly Flounder and stick-in-the-mud Sebastian, who plays a similar archetype to many '80s movies where adults chase kids around as their job- like The Wizard and Ferris Bueller's Day Off, but more sympathetically), a PHENOMENALLY-hammy villain in Ursula, and a Prince who's more than just a backdrop to the story; the movie really works on every level.

The music is incredible, and you can totally see how it helped set off The Renaissance. The Disney Movies in prior eras tended to have more old-school sing-songy stuff (basically anything before the '60s), and the '60s saw lots of jazz (a genre *I HATE*) and then-current musical trends, making the films more dated in retrospect. By the '70s and '80s, a lot of films only had songs as background music, or at least just limited them- The Great Mouse Detective has only a couple songs, and The Rescuers Down Under has NONE. But it turns out the best way to pull things off was to get a couple of full-blown Broadway guys to do things- they get the concepts of what makes great musical numbers, they know how to write hammy stuff (Broadway REQUIRES over-acting, like most live theatre). Ashman & Menken did an incredible job, tearing the house down with hits like Under The Sea, Part Of Your World, Kiss The Girl (girls LOVE this song) and one of the easy all-time Villain Songs, Poor Unfortunate Souls. Adding the bombastic nature of Broadway, more timeless types of music, and more outrageous characters combines perfectly here. This movie really stands above almost everything else in terms of music- any of the four big songs were hits, and could count as the "Iconic" song of the movie (compare it to Frozen, which really just has one). In massive Disney Retrospectives have to actually CHOOSE one- Ariel's big "I Want" song produces the most iconic scene in the film (her lunging forward while the waves crash down as she does a reprise of Part of Your World), but Ursula's Villain Song easily fits into Fantasmic! and assorted Castle Shows, too. And Sebastian's big band number is a showstopper.

The animation of Disney changes permanently after this- this & Great Mouse Detective, separated by only three years, look like they were made fifteen years apart, because Disney was no longer sparing expenses in making these films. Everything after this looks a million times better than what came before, and they soon outstrip Don Bluth's stuff completely. Glen Keane, the world's greatest living animator, more or less made his entire career by being Lead Animator on Ariel (he'd also be lead on The Beast and Rapunzel, to show you what his pedigree in the business is). And this isn't even close to the peak- they'd get better with each passing film after this point, only topping out around "Pocahontas" because there wasn't much else to DO with the art form. The "how they made it" stuff on the DVD set is fun, too- Jeffrey Katzenberg admits he's the world's least-patient man working in a business where everything takes a million years to happen and get finished, they describe Howard Ashman basing the film around a Broadway Musical theme for maximum fabulousness, and the various changes that occured over time (Ursula shifted animal-themes several times- usually into those multi-coloured super-finned fish- and was skinny for a while until they made her a Squid/Divine combo).

What's nice, too, is that they keep a lot of things to a minimum. The Love Story isn't quite so sappy and saccharine, and they avoid some problematic tropes- they still Fall In Love Instantly, but it's easily passed off since they're teenagers, there's some legit basis (her saving & then singing to him; her also being funny and making him laugh rather than JUST being pretty), they have the most romantic song EVER behind them, etc. The Prince isn't as bland as many other Love Interests tended to be in these films. The Sidekicks (which this film would inspire a LOT of- the Disney Renaissance is full of them, however forced their introduction- LOOKING AT YOU HUNCHBACK!!) didn't overwhelm the plot and were used at a minimum and allowed for some much-needed slapstick, etc.

Shockingly, almost every character is good. Ariel is a great pouty, whiny teenager who is nonetheless earnest and sincere. King Triton pulls off being an Angry Authority Figure without coming across as completely unreasonable or evil (he even feels guilt and sadness when he sees what destroying Ariel's collection does to her emotionally, but redoubles himself upon seeing that it "needed to be done"). Prince Eric is adventurous and funny instead of being bland. Flounder is forgettable, but is cute & collectible enough for the kiddies, and fits as a cowardly background guy. Sebastian is humorous because he's part Butt Monkey/part Reasonable Authority Figure, especially once he gives up against the onslaught of Puppy Dog Eyes and starts helping out Ariel (he's about to ruin the whole deal... until he sees her sad eyes and has to just give in). The Villainous Sidekicks are both scary and not incompetent. Ursula is magnificent in her Drag Queen Splendor. Scuttle avoids being an Annoying Sidekick by keeping his appearances short. Heck, even Eric's poor advisor/helper guy is a neat character- he's stodgy and always wants Eric to settle down with someone (more or less like Prince Charming's dad, and Prince Phillip's), and it's one of the cuter bits when he starts edging Eric to go after the poor mute girl instead of some ethereal memory of a life-saving songstress.

Reception & Cultural Impact:
-Jesus, ya think? Ariel basically codified the entire Modern Disney Princess thing, and the movie itself formed the new "Disney Template". Take a waifish, huge-eyed young woman with a strong personality and a desire for "More". Perform a huge, soaring "I Want" song. Give us a mass "Crowd Song". Give the main character a cute, toyetic Sidekick. Give her a secondary sidekick, either cuter or more cynical than the other one. Throw in a handsome male. Throw in a SPECTACULARLY hammy villain, complete with their own song. You see this, or variations of it, with Belle, Jasmine (though Aladdin is the main character), Mulan, Pocahontas, Tiana and more, it continues to modern times with Tangled and Frozen. Why does the same template still get used? Because IT NEARLY ALWAYS WORKS. Ariel is basically the most copied Disney Character in history, with the "Princess Films" ramping up incredibly after this point, largely inspired by her. Even OTHER STUDIOS started ripping her off almost immediately.

The movie was an ENORMOUS smash hit, too. Everyone was astounded, going "What is THIS?!?!"- Disney hadn't been this good in decades, having fallen into "Animal Pictures" and weaker faire while their true classics like Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty lay in the past. Disney had spent more time, effort, and money on this than in any film in decades, and it showed. Don Bluth, who'd been showing up Disney for about ten years, was undone in moments. The movie made over $80 million in an era where that was BEYOND huge, was the #1 selling VHS the year it was released, and immediately started the Disney Reinaissance, as everyone who worked on this film (in particular Keane, Ashman & Menken) was put onto new projects immediately, and budgets and expectations soared.

The movie gave us FOUR all-time iconic songs, the first of the new breed of Disney Villains (Maleficent & Lady Tremaine were spectacular, but never SANG), and a Disney Princess who will churn out Merch Money for a hundred years. Though Ariel often takes a backseat to the more current Princesses, and the more outwardly positive charaters like Belle or more "classic" ones like Cinderella & Aurora, she's still a huge part of the Disney Parks, being not only a Meet & Greet Character (though she lost her Grotto to the Disney Fairies in Disneyland), but the subject of a slow-moving Dark Ride (mainly known for having some cheap animation on the fish, though some REALLY advanced stuff for the Ariel & Ursula Audio-Animatronics). Tokyo DisneySea also includes her in one of its Ports of Call, with a HUGE cavern/cave system of things, from her Grotto (complete with stuff she's found), a whale, a huge bronze statue of Triton and his dolphin chariot, and tons of Kiddie-Type carnival rides. Nearly every parade has some kind of spectacular Little Mermaid float, and at least one of the four songs will appear on Fantasmic! or a Castle Light Projection Show.

A Little Mermaid TV series (set under the sea) was released, and I saw all of it a couple of years ago- it's not terribly memorable, despite retconning Ursula into Ariel's past in a lot of places. A sequel and a prequel were released in the 2000s to very little acclaim- I found the idea that Ariel had to bar her daughter from seeing her grandfather, and always avoid the sea- to be way too depressing for the "Happily Ever After" ending the original movie got. Though the WORST part is probably just bringing in Pat Carroll to play Ursula again, with her "crazy sister", because they were out of ideas.

The film inspired a Broadway Musical, largely because it was taking Broadway into cartoons anyhow, and it would inspire a new era on the Great White Way- Disney is actually credited with saving Broadway from failure and falling into seediness, as multiple productions (Beauty and the Beast and Lion King) reinvigorated the area with long-running shows. However, The Little Mermaid was a trickier production, and wasn't nearly as successful as the later ones. An ongoing short musical still plays in the Hollywood Studios park, however.

But really, this film is universally considered the start of a decade-long Disney Renaissance, so its legacy is secured.
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Ariel

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ARIEL
Played by:
Jodi Benson
Role: Disney Princess, Rebellious Teenager, Puppy-Dog Eyes Incarnate
PL 5 (92), PL 6 (92) Defenses
STRENGTH
4 STAMINA 4 AGILITY 5
FIGHTING 6 DEXTERITY 0
INTELLIGENCE 0 AWARENESS 0 PRESENCE 3

Skills:
Athletics 4 (+7)
Athletics 4 (+11) -- Flaws: Limited to Swimming
Deception 1 (+4, +6 Attractive)
Expertise (Humans) 1 (+1)
Expertise (Singing) 10 (+13)
Perception 4 (+4)
Persuasion 4 (+7, +9 Attractive)

Advantages:
Attractive, Fascination (Persuasion), Evasion, Great Endurance, Improved Defense, Ranged Attack 4

Powers:
"Disney Princess"
Comprehend 2 (Animals) (Flaws: Limited to Marine Fauna) [2]

"Epic Puppy-Dog Eyes" Enhanced Skills 4: Persuasion 4 (+11, +13 Attractive) (Flaws: Limited to Authority Figures) [1]

"Mermaid Physiology"
Senses 1 (Low-Light Vision) [1]
Swimming 5 (16 mph) [5]
Immunity 3 (Cold, Pressure, Drowning) [3]
Movement 1 (Environmental Adaptation- Underwater) [2]
Power-Lifting 2 (800 lbs.) [1]

Offense:
Unarmed +6 (+4 Damage, DC 19)
Initiative +5

Defenses:
Dodge +6 (DC 16), Parry +7 (DC 17), Toughness +3, Fortitude +6, Will +6

Complications:
Motivation ("Part Of Your World")- Humans have long since fascinated Princess Ariel, and she grows obsessed with the handsome, kind Prince Eric. Her obsession will lead her to make a pact with the Sea-Witch Ursula, and even disobey her stern father.
Relationship (King Triton)- Ariel loves her father, but finds him boring and overly-demanding. She's rebellious to a fault, and shirks her duties. The more Triton fights her, the more she fights back- the two have a lot in common.
Responsibility (Princess)- Ariel is her father's favourite (her sisters seem to not mind this overly-much), but doesn't care for many of the duties of her position- she forgets about an important Debut Concert appearance because she's too busy looking at human junk in a shipwreck.
Relationship (Sebastian)- Sebastian is charged with watching over Ariel by King Triton, and so he tries to cut down on a lot of Ariel's nonsense. Of course, he's like six inches tall, so he can't really FORCE her to do anything. Thanks to Puppy-Dog Eyes, she turns him.
Relationship (Flounder)- Flounder's kind of a "guppy" and doesn't want to risk his tail the way Ariel does, but he's pretty loyal.

Total: Abilities: 44 / Skills: 28--14 / Advantages: 9 / Powers: 15 / Defenses: 10 (92)

Ariel- The Definitive Disney Princess:
-Ariel is pretty much the symbol of the latter-day Disney Princesses- rebellious, wanting "More!" and possessing the most gigantic eyes ever. Ariel is RIDICULOUSLY cute and scantily-clad, which would be totally rad for me if not for her fairly-apparent younger age- I can't get past the Ephebophilic undertones of her, so she falters in Hawtness Points compared to many other Disney Princesses. Granted, she was perfectly hot for me as a preteen, though oddly I found myself thinking she was TOO hot- I actually felt weird about watching it with my younger siblings, like they were "Too young" to see a girl with such semi-nudity! But MAN that orgasmic transformation sequence is a doozy (check her body language at points)- pretty much going "OH HEY YOU GUYS THIS GIRL IS TOTALLY NAKED RIGHT NOW!" (I was VERY much aware that she was bottomless watching it as a kid, and thought it was quite deliciously naughty), then they go attempting to forge a million Foot Fetishists at once with a close-up of her wriggling toes. No wonder Carlton Banks' mother wouldn't let him watch this movie :)- and to think, the only real sex controversy it caused was the Home Video Cover with the castle's parapet dong.

-Overall, though, it's a magnificent design- a perfect balance of colour (giant red hair and a distinct shade of green/blue that's actually called "Ariel" in honour of her- with pink skin and the iconic purple bra) and design- this is pretty much what EVERYONE thinks of when they think of Mermaids these days. She's probably the most easily-recognizable female Disney character overall, and is one of the most popular of the Disney Princesses despite being created more than twenty years ago. She was one of the first Disney characters to get a Broadway show, and is a top-tier "Meet & Greet" character (presumably for an actress okay with showing their navel, though I've seen a good bunch wearing flesh-coloured body-stockings out of modesty and a desire to avert the gaze of more perverted tourists, I would assume). It's also interesting how they deliberately made her sisters more bland to contrast Ariel's unique appearance- they have smaller eyes, less bouncy hair (OH MY GOD ARIEL'S HAIR IS SO BIG), their tails match their bras in colour, and they're all more generic overall.

-Ariel is, in a word, ENDEARING. Her character motivation is arguably the weakest of any of the Disney Princesses- she just Wants A Man (to the chagrin of Feminists everywhere) and that's it. Oh, and she's fascinated by human stuff, and wants to run around past the surface of the water. However, the movie-makers were skilled enough to bypass all of this with Part of Your World, one of the greatest "I Want" songs in history. Sung by Jodi Benson with this childlike innocence, eagerness and sheer want, it really encapsulates the whole moment. One person, when talking about the importance of the songcraft of the movie, pointed out that the song could have been called I Want Feet- an important reference to how important it is to verbalize things properly. And that shot of Ariel on that rocky outcrop, singing about her Prince... THAT is how you make a Big Moment.

-Honestly, though, despite the relatively weak motivation, you WANT TO LIKE THIS GIRL, which is tricky to pull off. They kind of get away with it by making her flawed ("I completely forgot- my father is gonna KILL me!"), immature and impulsive, but in that funny sort of way. The "combing her hair with a fork" scene will never NOT be funny, in particular because of Eric & Grimsby's total "WTF?" reactions. One of my favorite moments is when she grabs onto the reins of Eric's carriage, and just REVS IT, getting the horses to go tearing across the countryside and over a huge gorge, just because she's so into it. Her wild, childlike glee is perfect in that bit. And there's also when Sebastian is about to drop the whole thing... and she just Puppy-Dog Eyes him into giving it up. The work of the animators can't really be underscored here- Ariel spends almost half the movie as a SILENT CHARACTER, so the animation work has to do every single bit of the heavy lifting.

-Ariel Merchandise & Face Character stuff in the parks is always a tricky thing- she takes numerous forms in the movie, with her signature "look" being the Mermaid Form, which proves problematic for toys and costuming, since she can't talk around. You always end up with this awkward "short fish-tail that bends where knees are on a person" thing. Plus the Face Characters end up in bikinis. During much of the film, she wears a pleasing "peasant girl" look with the bow that you almost never seen in ANYTHING, then wears a PINK dress, and then has a wedding dress for one scene. Oh, plus the giant crab-bag dress Scuttle makes for her out of a shipwreck. So there's a plethora of options for her Merch... but they usually default to "Mermaid" and... "Green Dress"? Yes, because Ariel's distinctive red mane clashes poorly with the big, pink, puffy-armed '80s dress, Ariel often gets stuck in a sea-green outfit, both as a Face Character and on Disney Princess Merch. Given that she NEVER WORE THAT in the movie, it's a bit odd.

-Ariel's actually not that bad a fighter- there are a few signs in the movie that she's REALLY strong as a mermaid- able handily move a BOULDER blocking her personal grotto. She's also strong enough to yank Ursula around a bit, implying she's MUCH stronger than any human girl of her approximate size. She also survives a giant maelstrom of sea-water. As a mermaid, she's very quick, immune to many of the problems of the depths, and can survive in both air and water (of course she has few options on land- able to haul herself up a ladder, but is barely able to move around otherwise).

About the Performer: Jodi Benson is a delight in person, and has pretty much built her career out of being Ariel, though got a bit more work on other projects- she was also in Thumbelina, was the voice for Barbie in the Toy Story movies, and more. Seeing her at the Calgary Comic Expo was fun, as she brought up how she made sure (after the horrifying backfiring of a gift she'd bought for her daughter) that she is the ONLY person allowed to voice Ariel on any of Disney's projects, how she was cast for the movie (she'd worked with Ashman & Menken on a Broadway show earlier, and auditioned for the role, then performed it... like a year before it was released), and how everyone, including her mom, was like "Oh, well, better luck next time" when she told them she was working "in cartoons".
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Re: Jab's Builds! (Roger & Jessica Rabbit! Judge Doom! The Little Mermaid! Ariel!)

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The Little Mermaid is my younger sister's favourite Disney movie (Maybe it's because she also had long red hair as a kid) and I have memories of her and her friends singing along with the songs (especially the 'Part of your world' one which she'll now sing at me whenever the movie is mentioned :x )
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Re: Judge Doom

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Jabroniville wrote: Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:50 pm His cloak seems to flap in the wind when nothing else in the scene does.
You'd think something like this would be overly apparent and too on the nose... and I never noticed it until somebody pointed it out to me.
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Re: Jab's Builds! (Great Mouse Detective! Ratigan! Who Framed Roger Rabbit!)

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Ares wrote: Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:57 am As for the film itself, it's interesting in that it seems like it'd be some huge crossover event, but it's more of a "faux-over" in the way Wreck-It Ralph is. The longest crossover moments in the movie are the one scene where Donald and Daffy are playing piano against each other, the much shorter scene with Buggs and Mickey, and the final scene where everyone shows up for the ending song. Apart from those moments, we get brief cameos from Betty Boop and Yosemite Sam, and that's pretty much it. The rest of the movie focuses on the original characters, again, like Wreck-It Ralph.
Well it sounds like they had a series of issues.
One was just cost, every extra toon they put on the screen apparently had their own frame, separate from the others, that had to be worked in.
Another was companies not wanting to have the other side's characters get one over on theirs. So Donald and Daffy? Had to have equal time. Bugs and Mickey? Had to have equal time.
The third one, they had to abide by restrictions and requirements by the compaines.
For example, in the Mickey/Bugs scene they required that Bugs be the one to do the Spare joke, because it wouldn't fit Mickey's personality at that time.

Which is fine, but when you have multiple different companies all fighting over what you can and can't do with their characters while adding restrictions and requirements?

Yeah, I have no doubt in my mind why they used them as cameos, like Wreck-it-Ralph. Fight multiple companies to make a great movie with their characters and spend all your time struggling to keep things together as they fight your every step... or make your own characters, do what ever you want, and get geek cred for trotting out a character or two for a company approved cameo.
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Re: Jab's Builds! (Roger & Jessica Rabbit! Judge Doom! The Little Mermaid! Ariel!)

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From my Calgary Comic Expo report:


* Jodi Benson was great, too. She still actually sounds like Ariel (shocking considering it's been 27 years). All I really had to talk about was how iconic and great A Part of Your World was ("it's STILL one of the greatest, most-repeated Disney scenes!"), which is probably what she's heard a million times before, but she treated it like a great compliment anyhow :). Celebs asking ME questions always throws me off my game-plan, so when she's all "So what do YOU do?" I was taken aback and was like "Uh, just a cashier". To which she replied "Oh, you're not JUST a cashier" and went into something about how doing what you love is important and stuff- very "Disney Princess". Given how she says "God bless you!" to everyone, even signing that, I'm guessing she's very religious.

And then she had her PANEL. Which was more of a quick interview, Q&A session, then her singing. It was actually advertised as a "Sing-Along", but she apologized for that and was basically confessing "it's just me singing". Which is good, because I was all "Mehhhhhhh dunno if I want to see this" if it's a crowd of people expected to sing.

The interview part was good. Basically going into the backstory of how she was working with Howard Ashman on a quickly-closed Broadway play, and he offered the girls a consolation prize to come audition for the role of "The Little Mermaid", the star of a new movie he was a part of. Since she was always wanting to be an actress, but a "non-famous one", she'd promised her mother, she was just expecting to be a Broadway performer all the time. But then a year later, while looking for another role, she got the call that she was this "Ariel" character. And when she told her mom, she was just "... well, better luck next time!". "See, back then, Disney hadn't had a hit in a really long time! And voice acting was something actors did in the BACK half of their career! It wasn't like TODAY!". So after everyone made fun of her or shrugged their shoulders, she just hid the role from everyone.

She did her recordings, made quick friends with people, then never saw most of them until she suddenly got the call to do a 20-day tour for the premiere... and then everything changed. She credits the ENTIRE Disney Renaissance to "Howard" (first name only), mentioning his writing partner Alan Menken only once (to be fair, there's a HUGE gap between the Ashman/Menken stuff and the Menken-only stuff. I See The Light and Hellfire are great, but compared to the string of hits in the ASHMAN films?). Someone asked her about Don Bluth and Thumbelina, and she pointed out her respect for guys like him & Ashman, who "are total perfectionists. I mean, *I'M* a perfectionist, but these guys are on another level."

I actually had heard a bit of the backstory behind the film (Glen Keane, "the best living animator in the world today", designed Ariel off of his wife, a picture of Alyssa Milano, and a girl they hired to swim around in a tank so they could look at her hair move), but she added a few bits, like how the character didn't "Come ALIVE" for Keane until she'd been recorded, since you have to base things off of the voice. She also pointed out the greatness of Ashman, in that if he felt you weren't getting it just right, he had a way of getting it- she was having trouble visualizing Ariel's underwater world and getting into the character, so he shut off all the lights.

She made fun of how Mattel didn't want Barbie in Toy Story, but once that movie became a smash, they were only TOO happy to offer Barbie a role in the film. She was not only the voice for THAT Barbie, but her first acting role was a Claymation Barbie in a "Kids' Work-Out Video" in the early '80s. On seeing the Little Mermaid on Broadway, she says she got there opening night as a special guest... and pretty much just cried through the whole thing, realizing this little world she'd had a hand in creating.

Unusually, she is STILL the voice of Ariel (Paige O'Hara was replaced as Belle a long time ago, as her voice changed), and told a funny story about how she bought an Ariel Singing thing from a store, and on Christmas morning, her daughter was horrified when she pushed the button, and SOMEONE ELSE'S VOICE came out of the thing, saying some asinine thing like "I'm SO HAPPY you're with my friends under the sea!". "THAT'S NOT YOU, MOM!!!!!" So she IMMEDIATELY called her agent, played the voice, and was like "What is THIS?". She points out that since she's still the voice, she's supposed to be the voice in EVERYTHING- toys, dolls, videos, etc. And she considers herself very protective of Ariel and what she represents- sort of the last line of defense, I guess, if they want her to do or say REALLY dumb things.

Most of the Princesses are appearing in Wreck-It Ralph 2, probably in a cameo- she indicates that she at last saw all of them during that recording, "expect Elsa", and that Mulan wasn't there, but she'd met Ming Na another time. I guess they got all the living ones- she points out that she's "The Elder Princess" since so much time (33 years, I think) passed between Sleeping Beauty (she said Cinderella) and The Little Mermaid, though I checked, and Mary "Aurora" Costa is still alive. Maybe she meant of the ones who still voice the characters.

But yeah, she sang. Part of Your World, no less! And hell, she still SOUNDS THE SAME! The only real indication of her voice changing over 27 years is when she hits the power notes, which definitely won't sound the same in your 50s). She even joked when she came up to the panel speaker/representative "Haha, I made her CRY!".
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Flounder

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FLOUNDER
Played by:
Jason Martin
Role: Animal Sidekick, Cowardly Whiner
PL 3 (42)
STRENGTH
-2 STAMINA 0 AGILITY 1
FIGHTING 1 DEXTERITY 0
INTELLIGENCE -1 AWARENESS 0 PRESENCE 0

Skills:
Athletics 6 (+4)
Expertise (Survival) 4 (+4)
Perception 2 (+2)
Stealth 0 (+11 Size)

Advantages:
Close Attack 2

Powers:
"Animal Senses" Senses 3 (Extended & Acute Scent, Low-Light Vision) [3]

"Sea Creature"
Swimming 6 (8 mph) [6]
Immunity 2 (Drowning, Pressure) [2]

"Tail Slap" Damage 2 (Extras: Multiattack) [4]

"Small Size" Shrinking 8 (Feats: Innate) (Extras: Permanent +0) [17]
(-2 Strength & Speed, +4 Defenses, +8 Stealth, -4 Intimidation)

Offense:
Unarmed +3 (-2 Damage, DC 13)
Tail Slap +3 (+2 Damage, DC 17)
Initiative +2

Defenses:
Dodge +5 (DC 15), Parry +5 (DC 15), Toughness +0, Fortitude +0, Will +4

Complications:
Disabled (Animal)- Fish cannot speak to humans, nor use their fins to easily manipulate objects.
Disabled- Fish require water to survive, and will die quickly if left out of it. Flounder seems to be able to hang out above water just fine, however.

Total: Abilities: 2 / Skills: 12--6 / Advantages: 2 / Powers: 32 / Defenses: 4 (42)

-Flounder was our "Toyetic/Collectible" character in the film, and adequately performs that role without being overbearing. It helps that he doesn't really ACT cute- his job is to mostly sit there and whine about stuff, and be worried whenever Ariel goes off on her own.
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Re: Judge Doom

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Arkrite wrote: Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:55 am
Jabroniville wrote: Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:50 pm His cloak seems to flap in the wind when nothing else in the scene does.
You'd think something like this would be overly apparent and too on the nose... and I never noticed it until somebody pointed it out to me.
It's really very subtle, and used sparingly. I only noticed it a couple of times, right when he debuted and his clothes seemed to be extra-agitated. Then I started looking for it, and it was still only used a bit.
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Sebastian

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SEBASTIAN
Played by:
Samuel E. Wright
Role: Animal Sidekick, Befuddled Authority Figure
PL 4 (59)
STRENGTH
-4 STAMINA -3 AGILITY 1
FIGHTING 1 DEXTERITY 0
INTELLIGENCE 1 AWARENESS 2 PRESENCE 1

Skills:
Athletics 6 (+2)
Expertise (Survival) 4 (+6)
Expertise (Singing) 11 (+12)
Expertise (Royal Composer) 5 (+7)
Perception 2 (+4)
Persuasion 4 (+5)
Stealth 0 (+13 Size)

Advantages:
Close Attack 3

Powers:
"Animal Senses" Senses 1 (Low-Light Vision) [1]

"Sea Creature"
Swimming 2 (2 mph) [2]
Immunity 2 (Drowning, Pressure) [2]

"Crab's Claws" Affliction 4 (Fort; Dazed/Stunned) (Flaws: Limited Degree) [2]

"Small Size" Shrinking 12 (Feats: Innate) (Extras: Permanent +0) [25]
(-3 Strength & Speed, +6 Defenses, +12 Stealth, -6 Intimidation)

Offense:
Unarmed +3 (-4 Damage, DC 11)
Crab's Claws +3 (+4 Affliction, DC 14)
Initiative +1

Defenses:
Dodge +7 (DC 17), Parry +7 (DC 17), Toughness -3, Fortitude -1, Will +4

Complications:
Disabled (Animal)- Crabs cannot use their claws to easily manipulate objects.
Disabled- Crabs require water to survive, and will die if left out of it for too long.

Total: Abilities: 4 / Skills: 32--16 / Advantages: 3 / Powers: 32 / Defenses: 4 (59)

-Sebastian is kind of a breakout character in The Little Mermaid, and was rather unique- a reasonable authority figure who was basically roped into all of Ariel's crazy schemes. It's actually neat to see his character progression, as he starts out as a tattle-tale following Ariel around and reporting to King Triton, but ultimately feels horrible when her collection of thingamabobs is destroyed, and there's that brilliant moment where he freaks on her for making a deal with Ursula. Sure, he's pissed, but when he demands she go back to Atlantica, he looks into her gigantic, innocent, pleading eyes and just resigns himself to his fate, lest she "be miserable for the rest of your life!" Zazu from The Lion King takes a lot from this guy, as do a few other "Conscience/Advisor" characters, and usually they end up as butt-monkeys who get beaten on a lot.

-Sebastian is no powerhouse, but his Claws can provoke some REALLY painful experiences for those who get in too close. He's hard as hell to hit (YOU try hitting a six-inch target!), but will suffer horribly if nailed in combat.

About the Performer: Samuel E. Wright is probably most well-known to regular people for playing Sebastian (a role he continued in the TV series and the sequels), but he was a well-respected Broadway perfromer, being nominated for a few Tonys. He was even the original Mufasa in The Lion King!
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Prince Eric

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PRINCE ERIC
Played by:
Christopher Daniel Barnes
Role: Disney Prince, Listless Rich Boy
PL 5 (80), PL 6 (80) Defenses
STRENGTH
2 STAMINA 3 AGILITY 4
FIGHTING 6 DEXTERITY 0
INTELLIGENCE 2 AWARENESS 1 PRESENCE 4

Skills:
Acrobatics 1 (+5)
Athletics 7 (+9)
Expertise (Sailor) 8 (+10)
Expertise (Royalty) 2 (+4)
Insight 3 (+4)
Perception 3 (+4)
Persuasion 2 (+6, +8 Attractive)

Advantages:
Attractive, Benefit 2 (Prince), Minion 2 (Max), Ranged Attack 7

Offense:
Unarmed +6 (+2 Damage, DC 17)
Initiative +5

Defenses:
Dodge +7 (DC 17), Parry +7 (DC 17), Toughness +3, Fortitude +5, Will +6

Complications:
Responsibility (Listless)- Wealthy and personable, Prince Eric seems to lead a charmed life. Yet he's constantly bored and turning down potential lifemates.
Obsession (The Singing Girl)- Eric's life was saved by Princess Ariel one night, yet he cannot find her, nor her song. It's to the point that he's willing to turn down this perfectly hot mute redhead right in front of him to hook up with some mystery doll with a pretty voice.
Relationship (Max the Sheepdog)- Eric is close enough to his loyal friend that he'll risk life and limb to save the dog by leaping into a swirling torrent of water. This would have very well killed him had Ariel not intervened.
Relationship (Ariel)- This crazy mute girl may comb her hair with a fork, blow bubbles in her drinks, and lead horses like a raving maniac, but she's adorably likeable and kind, and Eric finds himself drawn a bit away from this singing mystery girl whenever Ariel is around.

Total: Abilities: 44 / Skills: 26--13 / Advantages: 12 / Powers: 0 / Defenses: 11 (80)

-Prince Eric: basically created to be the ultimate target of late '80s Teen Girl Swooning. Look at those GIANT EYES. The blue color. The pitch-black, perfectly-coiffed hair. The fun-loving, kind-hearted personality. The whole "obsessed over some mythical love" thing.

-In any case, Eric is a bit more notable than most Disney Princes, in that he's afflicted with a lot of the "I want MORE" syndrome the Princesses get, and he's kind of a happy-go-lucky adventurer. He pokes fun at poor Grimsby, and is a hopeless romantic, chasing after some mystery girl he's basically created in his head. He soon falls for the crazy & mute Ariel, but things get weird when Ursula gets her suckers on him and he's all brainwashed, but he soon pulls off one of the most BAD-ASS Disney Feats ever, going all Cthulhu on that fat broad using the mast of an un-sunken ship and some handy weather.

About the Performer: Eric was played by a largely unknown actor, who is mainly known to geeks for playing Peter Parker in the 1990s Spider-Man TV series. He also played Prince Charming in the Cinderella sequels, which is an odd bit of casting (playing TWO Disney Princes?). Jennifer Hale (Black Cat from the same cartoon) plays Cinderella, which makes for some humorous moments as the pair are reunited, but in TOTALLY different characters. I keep expecting Doctor Octopus to bust through the wall and team up with Lady Tremaine and wreak havoc.

MAX
Role:
Family Pet
PL 3 (30)
STRENGTH
1 STAMINA 2 AGILITY 2
FIGHTING 4 DEXTERITY 0
INTELLIGENCE -4 AWARENESS 2 PRESENCE -2

Skills:
Insight 2 (+4)
Intimidation 4 (+2)
Perception 2 (+4)

Advantages:
None

Powers:
"Animal Senses" Senses 5 (Acute & Extended Scent, Low-Light Vision, Ultra & Extended Hearing) [5]
"Animal Physiology" Speed 2 [2]
"Natural Weapons- Teeth" Strength-Damage +1 [1]

"Evil-Detecting Dog" Senses 2 (Detect Evil- Acute) [2]

Offense:
Unarmed +4 (+1 Damage, DC 16)
Natural Weapons +4 (+2 Damage, DC 17)
Initiative +2

Defenses:
Dodge +2 (DC 12), Parry +3 (DC 12), Toughness +1, Fortitude +2, Will +4

Complications:
Disabled (Animal)- Dogs cannot speak to humans, nor use their paws to easily manipulate objects.
Relationship (Owner)- Domestic dogs are intensely loyal to their masters, and will fight to the death to protect them.
Weakness- Dogs are utterly incapable of lying. Their entire body reflects their current mood. Just watch them if you notice your lamp is broken, and you will know who did it.

Total: Abilities: 10 / Skills: 8--4 / Advantages: 3 / Powers: 10 / Defenses: 3 (30)
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Re: Jab's Builds! (Roger & Jessica Rabbit! Judge Doom! The Little Mermaid! Ariel!)

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Hey guys I’m not sure if I used enough pictures for Ariel. I should double that for Belle, just to be safe.
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Re: Prince Eric

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Jabroniville wrote: Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:12 am
About the Performer: Eric was played by a largely unknown actor, who is mainly known to geeks for playing Peter Parker in the 1990s Spider-Man TV series. He also played Prince Charming in the Cinderella sequels, which is an odd bit of casting (playing TWO Disney Princes?). Jennifer Hale (Black Cat from the same cartoon) plays Cinderella, which makes for some humorous moments as the pair are reunited, but in TOTALLY different characters. I keep expecting Doctor Octopus to bust through the wall and team up with Lady Tremaine and wreak havoc.
. . . now I'm picturing a Doc Ock and Ursula team-up, the Terrible Tentacled Twosome. Science, Sorcery and overweight villains.
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Ursula

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”Come on, you poor unfortunate soul!
Go ahead!
Make your choice!
I'm a very busy woman and I haven't got all day
It won't cost much-
Just your voice!
You poor unfortunate soul!
It's sad! But true!
If you want to cross the bridge, my sweet
You've got the pay the toll
Take a gulp and take a breath
And go ahead and sign the scroll!
(Flotsam, Jetsam, now I've got her, boys)
THE BOSS IS ON A ROLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!
THIS POOR! UN! FOR! TUNATE SOUULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!"

URSULA
Played by:
Pat Carroll
Role: The Big Bad, Sea Witch, Manipulator
Most Villainous Moment: Has kept hundreds of sentient beings in horrible polyptistic servitude for years.
PL 7 (128)
STRENGTH
5 STAMINA 6 AGILITY 2
FIGHTING 7 DEXTERITY 0
INTELLIGENCE 3 AWARENESS 2 PRESENCE 4

Skills:
Athletics 2 (+6)
Deception 4 (+8)
Expertise (Magic) 12 (+15)
Expertise (Singing) 8 (+12)
Insight 4 (+6)
Intimidation 4 (+8)
Perception 3 (+5)
Persuasion 5 (+9)
Stealth 2 (+4)

Advantages:
Artificer, Daze (Intimidation), Equipment 3 (Magical Cabinets & Junk), Fast Grab, Improved Grab, Power Attack, Ranged Attack 8, Ritualist, Startle

Powers:
Comprehend 2 (Animals) (Flaws: Limited to Marine Fauna) [2]

"Cephalomaid Physiology"
Senses 1 (Low-Light Vision) [1]
Swimming 4 (8 mph) [4]
Movement 1 (Environmental Adaptation- Aquatic) [2]
Immunity 3 (Drowning, Cold, Pressure) [3]

"Cephalopod Lower Body"
"Six Arms" Extra Limbs 4 [4]
Unarmed Reach 1 [1]
Movement 1 (Slithering) [2]
Protection 1 [1]

Offense:
Unarmed +7 (+5 Damage, DC 20)
Initiative +2

Defenses:
Dodge +6 (DC 16), Parry +7 (DC 17), Toughness +6, Fortitude +6, Will +7

Complications:
Motivation (Power)- Ursula does everything just for power, and the ability to control others. She seeks out Ariel specifically because she's the daughter of King Triton, and so she can make an even BIGGER deal.
Enemy (King Triton)- Triton banished the Sea Witch ages ago, and she thirsts for revenge.
Relationship ("BABIES!")- Ursula is actually quite attached to Flotsam and Jetsam. Their deaths by her hands force her even further over the edge.

Total: Abilities: 58 / Skills: 44--22 / Advantages: 18 / Powers: 20 / Defenses: 10 (128)

-Ursula was TERRIFIC. Like Maleficent, she takes up a huge amount of the plot, despite very little screen time- the mark of an excellent villain. She would overwhelm the entire movie had Ariel & Eric not been interesting, along with the Sidekick characters. Ursula was based largely off of the crossdresser Divine, and portrayed by Howard Ashman (the brilliant composer of many Disney tunes who died of AIDS in 1991) to a large extent, from whom the actress basically copied his movements and vocal style- particularly bits like "Life is FULL of tough choices, innit?" Her disgusting, corpulent appearance just sets off the whole thing- instead of being this slinky, feminine character, she's gross on almost every level, taking cephalopod characteristics instead of those of pretty little fish, she's purple instead of caucasian, she's fat, she wears too much make-up, her hair's short and ratty instead of flowing all '80s-style, etc. Just sickening to watch, but so fascinating to look at- a GREAT design overall. Funnily enough, overweight butch lesbians actually use the term "Ursula" as a term of endearment.

-AND THAT SONG!! Poor Unfortunate Souls could easily pass for the best Disney Villain Song even among such tremendous competition- you could pick from a few choices, but nobody would deny you this one. She's just so CONNIVING and sinister at the same time. You KNOW you can't trust her, but you could buy how a dumb lovestruck 16-year old would sign the scroll. The ham-fisted delivery completes it- that whole moment is utterly fantastic.

-Ursula isn't overly powerful at first, despite being very hard to hurt (she barely reacts when Triton blasts her against a rock). Like a lot of magician-types, she's limited to making deals and getting people to willingly turn themselves over. She's just REALLY smart and very good at manipulating the desperate- it's presumably alot easier to pull of a Transform to Polyp Affliction if they sign the contract themselves.

About the Performer: Pat Carroll was doing Broadway and comedy stuff many years before The Little Mermaid came out (even winning an Emmy), but has largely played "mom" roles and voice actor work since the '80s. She considers Ursula one of the favorite roles of her career, and has even played her in video games and the TV series.

URSULA WITH TRITON'S POWER
Played by:
Pat Carroll
Role: The Big Bad, Sea Witch, Manipulator
Most Villainous Moment: Has kept hundreds of sentient beings in horrible polyptistic servitude for years.
PL 14 (211)
STRENGTH
5/14 STAMINA 6/15 AGILITY 2
FIGHTING 7 DEXTERITY 0
INTELLIGENCE 3 AWARENESS 2 PRESENCE 4

Skills:
Athletics 2 (+6)
Deception 4 (+8)
Expertise (Magic) 12 (+15)
Expertise (Singing) 8 (+12)
Insight 4 (+6)
Intimidation 4 (+8)
Perception 3 (+5)
Persuasion 5 (+9)
Stealth 2 (+4)

Advantages:
Artificer, Daze (Intimidation), Equipment 3 (Magical Cabinets & Junk), Fast Grab, Improved Grab, Power Attack, Ranged Attack 8, Ritualist, Startle

Powers:
Comprehend 2 (Animals) (Flaws: Limited to Marine Fauna) [2]

"Cephalomaid Physiology"
Senses 1 (Low-Light Vision) [1]
Swimming 4 (8 mph) [4]
Movement 1 (Environmental Adaptation- Aquatic) [2]
Immunity 3 (Drowning, Cold, Pressure) [3]

"Cephalopod Lower Body"
"Six Arms" Extra Limbs 4 [4]
Unarmed Reach 1 [1]
Movement 1 (Slithering) [2]
Protection 1 [1]

"The Trident of King Triton" (Flaws: Easily Removable) [83]
"Water-World" Environment (Impede Movement) 4 (2 ranks, 250ft. Radius) (8)
"Maelstrom" Damage 14 (Extras: Area- 250ft. Burst +4) (70) -- (78)
  • AE: Blast 16 (32)
  • AE: "Super-Bolt" Damage 14 (Extras: 120ft. Line +3) (56)
  • AE: "Water Torrents" Move Object 16 (32)
  • AE: "Mass Drowning" Affliction 14 (Fort; Dazed/Stunned/Incapacitated) (Extras: Area- 120ft. Burst +3) (56)
  • AE: "Forced Drowning" Affliction 14 (Fort; Dazed/Stunned/Incapacitated) (Extras: Ranged) (28)
  • AE: "Water Control" Move Object 16 (Extras: Perception Range) (Flaws: Limited to Water) (32)
  • AE: Variable 10 (70)
  • AE: "Giant Tentacle" Damage 12 (Extras: Area- 60ft. Shapeable +2) (36)
"Permanent Transformations" Affliction 6 (Transformed) (Extras: Continuous +3, Ranged) (Flaws: Limited to Maximum Degree) (24)

"Gigantic Size"
Growth 9 (Str & Sta +9, +9 Mass, +4 Intimidation, -4 Dodge/Parry, -9 Stealth) (18)
Growth +9 (+18 Mass, +9 Intimidation, +2 Speed, -18 Stealth) -- (144 feet) (Flaws: Limited to Non-STR & STA Growths) (9)
-- (137 points)

Offense:
Unarmed +7 (+5 Damage, DC 20)
Giant Size +7 (+14 Damage, DC 29)
Blast +8 (+16 Ranged Damage, DC 31)
Forced Drowning +8 (+14 Ranged Affliction, DC 24)
Area Damage +14 (+14 Damage, DC 29)
Mass Drowning +14 Area (+14 Affliction, DC 24)
Initiative +2

Defenses:
Dodge +6 (DC 16), Parry +7 (DC 17), Toughness +6, Fortitude +6, Will +7
"Giant Size" Dodge +2 (DC 12), Parry +3 (DC 13), Toughness +16, Fortitude +15, Will +7

Complications:
Motivation (Power)- Ursula does everything just for power, and the ability to control others. She seeks out Ariel specifically because she's the daughter of King Triton, and so she can make an even BIGGER deal.
Enemy (King Triton)- Triton banished the Sea Witch ages ago, and she thirsts for revenge.
Relationship ("BABIES!")- Ursula is actually quite attached to Flotsam and Jetsam. Their deaths by her hands force her even further over the edge.

Total: Abilities: 58 / Skills: 44--22 / Advantages: 18 / Powers: 103 / Defenses: 10 (211)

-In her Giant-Size Triton's Weapon Godly-Powered Form, Ursula becomes head and shoulders more powerful than almost any other Disney Villain. Such is her might that she turns the skies dark, sets off massive torrents of water, raises several sunken ships basically by accident (this bites her in the plus-sized butt later), blows the crap out of stuff, and would probably have taken over the entire ocean (and surface world) had Prince Eric not made one hell of a Sailing Skill Check and rammed the front of a sunken ship through her stomach, sending her colossal carcass sinking to the bottom of the ocean.

-With Triton's weapon, you realize just how rational the King really was- with such power, he could have done ANYTHING. Ursula has unstoppable power in this form, and her only flaw is that despite being PL 14 on offense (area attacks only- she's PL 11 unarmed and with her Blast), once she grows she's only PL 9.5 on defense (thanks to the drawbacks of Growth), which means that just about anything can hit her.
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Re: Jab's Builds! (Roger & Jessica Rabbit! Judge Doom! The Little Mermaid! Ariel!)

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Jabroniville wrote: Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:14 am Hey guys I’m not sure if I used enough pictures for Ariel. I should double that for Belle, just to be safe.
My fav goes to the jedi pic,though the scantly-clad one(i think 2 after the jedi pic?) is REALLY nice...:D
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Re: Jab's Builds! (Jessica Rabbit! Judge Doom! The Little Mermaid! Ariel! Ursula!)

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Which scantily-clad one? With Ariel, there's kind of a lot of answers to that one :).

scc had a quote last time I built Ariel & Co.:
I loved the Little Mermaid movie. Funny story on that. I was in the Air Force and bought my niece the movie and was about to mail it to her. Then I found out she already had it. Instead of returning it I left it on my shelf in my dorm room. One day my neighbor was in my room and he saw it and said "You got the Little Mermaid!' I said yeah and was surprised by his excitement. I really didn't like the older Disney movies and thought this was more of the same. So he got me to watch it and I loved it. I even bought the soundtrack. Sometime later the whole first floor of my dorm was watching it in my room and I had to open the door so some could watch from the hallway. And trust me I didn't have a big screen TV. This was i the early 90s. People find it funny when I tell them a buch of men from the military were watching the Little Mermaid.
A guy named SquirrelLord added:
Funny story - A friend of mine that I RP with has always mentioned that his uncle worked on various Disney movies. I always thought it was just as a small-time animator. This last time we hung out, though, we were all talking about Treasure Planet and he brought it up (again,its a recurring joke for us). This time, I decided to ask him more about his uncle. Turns out hes not just an animator, he's a DIRECTOR, and none other than Ron Clements. He has posters of the movies Ron has directed signed by some of the team, and his uncle has directed some of my favourite Disney films, as well as The Little Mermaid.

Just a little tidbit I thought you guys might like.
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