Pretty accurate IIRC (given it has been about five years). I was told to write up Icon at PL 14; personally I think that's WAY too high for the Milestone version (which was likely PL 12 ), but accurate for DC's treatment of him, I suppose. He was about on Martian Manhunter's level of strength and stamina, but not nearly as impervious without his alien armor (remember, explosive bullets actually once hurt an unarmored Icon). He had a really versatile energy-based set of powers, including a blast more potent than Superman's heat vision. Icon was MASSIVELY over-pointed for his PL, which is what happens with a Kryptonian-lite flying brick/energy projector, who also had several lifetimes worth of skills AND access to advanced technology.Ares wrote: ↑Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:50 amThat makes me sad. It would have been nice seeing the Milestone guys statted up in the DCU proper. I would have been curious to see how they would have stacked up to other heroes. Icon was always in kind of a weird place because the default Milestone setting was generally less powerful than the standard DCU, but when he fought Superman the two were pretty evenly matched. Superman claimed Icon nearly knocked him out with their first collision, while Icon was bleeding from the impact. But Superman held his own against the Blood Synicate quite handily, while the BS actually defeated Icon.greycrusader wrote: ↑Fri Feb 15, 2019 3:31 am Hey, I know your in-italics-comment was a jest, but Icon and Rocket (and Hardware) were all SUPPOSED to be in the DCA books, and had entries from yours truly-till apparently DC realized they didn't have the rights to use the characters in a game. That's why all the Milestone heroes and villains were missing.
And I lobbied for ALL the Crime Syndicate, but was over-ruled. I least I got Ultra the Multi-Alien in, thank goodness!
All my best.
My guess would be Icon is more in the Captain Atom class of nearly-but-not-quite Superman level physically, but his energy attack was probably more high end than what Superman can achieve. So while he could have a decent punch fight with Superman, he'd need to do the "energy fist brass knuckles" to really have a shot, and would be better off unloading on Clark with energy attacks.
Meanwhile Hardware and Steel were on complete opposite ends of the spectrum. Steel has this suit that as absolutely no bells or whistles. It makes him really strong, really tough, lets him fly, swing a mean hammer and shoot metal spikes. Hardware's armor is less strong/tough, but much more in line with an Iron Man-style suit in terms of being insanely versatile. The contrast carries over into their personalities, where Steel is a noble, selfless and good-natured hero, while Hardware is . . . well, an arrogant, condescending asshole. Though supposedly his encounter with Steel made Hardware try to be a better hero.
Rocket was PL 10, but ONLY defensively when her force field was fully charged up, which is actually pretty true to the comics. Otherwise she was a PL 9 with the enhanced strength and toughness given by her gear, and like PL 4 without it.
Hardware-again, your take was spot-on, Ares. The original Milestone setting was considerably lower-powered than the DCU (or Marvel), and just didn't showcase all sorts of outrageous power stunts. Hardware's suit wasn't NEARLY as strong or tough as John Irons' powered armor, and lacked any sort of flight. But it held all sorts of weapons, gimmicks, and A.I. based features. Which was interesting given Hardware was (again, based on the books) a fair bit more intelligent than Steel. The secret identity of Hardware was kind of the equivalent of Lex Luthor WITHOUT enormous wealth backing his inventions.
All my best.