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*awaits Jab posting previous comments from an older thread where it turns out I said almost exactly the same thing 8 years ago*

Which tells me what a broken record I am.
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Jabroniville wrote: Thu May 30, 2019 11:37 pm Image
Jesus. This guy looks like Mon-el as a porn star.

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Ken wrote: Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:15 am
Jabroniville wrote: Thu May 30, 2019 11:37 pm Image
Jesus. This guy looks like Mon-el as a porn star.

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Alfred Pennyworth

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"You're the picture of sanity, Master Bruce. Now here, I've pressed your tights and fixed your exploding gas bombs."

ALFRED PENNYWORTH
Created By:
Bob Kane & Jerry Robinson
First Appearance: Batman #16 (April 1943)
Role: The Butler, Deadpan Snarker, Former Bad-Ass
Mental Problems: Addiction (to biting Dry English Wit)
Voice Actor: Ephraim Zimbalist, Jr.
First Episode: "On Leather Wings"
Group Affiliations: The Gotham City Police Department
Finest Moment: The quote above.
PL 2 (61)
STRENGTH
0 STAMINA 0 AGILITY 0
FIGHTING 3 DEXTERITY 2
INTELLIGENCE 3 AWARENESS 4 PRESENCE 3

Skills:
Deception 6 (+9)
Expertise (Government Spy) 8 (+11)
Expertise (Butler) 7 (+10)
Insight 4 (+8)
Investigation 5 (+9)
Perception 2 (+6)
Persuasion 2 (+5)
Stealth 4 (+4)
Treatment 2 (+5)
Vehicles 4 (+6)

Advantages:
Ranged Attack 3

Offense:
Unarmed +3 (+0 Damage, DC 15)
Initiative +0

Defenses:
Dodge +2 (DC 12), Parry +3 (DC 13), Toughness +0, Fortitude +1, Will +7

Complications:
Relationship (Master Bruce)- Alfred has raised young Bruce Wayne since he was only a boy- his devotion to Batman is absolute, and his greatest ambition is for Bruce's happiness.
Responsibility (Former Spy)- A retired Spy, Alfred has many potential enemies, and knows some dangerous things.
Relationship (Maggie)- Alfred has a girlfriend, with whom he appears constantly annoyed and befuddled.

Total: Abilities: 30 / Skills: 44--22 / Advantages: 3 / Powers: 0 / Defenses: 6 (61)

-Alfred is one of the unsung heroes of the Bat-verse, especially the cartoon series, where his dry wit and good-natured ribbing of Batman was a much-needed sense of comic relief to a vastly grim show. He had a few episodes of focus (like when they revealed he was a British Secret Service agent... which necessitates the question of why he became a BUTLER), but was usually just shown at home, or being victimized while out with his girlfriend Maggie, who ended up disappearing pretty quickly. But really, Alfred is of such incredible importance to the Bat-universe that it's impossible to imagine it without him. In a way, he's Bruce's sole grip on the real world- a character who's known him since he was a child, and as such acts as authority and assistant all at once. Every time Bruce gets too grim, rude, or short with people, Alfred's there to pierce his stuffed shirt (pointing out stuff like "I diapered your bottom!").

-Watching a show like Downton Abbey reveals a LOT of astonishing things about Alfred- the running of a large house is actually a VERY big job, and the estate typically needs dozens and dozens of people working on every aspect of it to prevent it from falling into disrepair- you need maids, a butler/majordomo, a kitchen staff, gardeners and lawncare people, etc. Even assuming that Bruce Wayne leads a much less lavish lifestyle than his contemporaries, Alfred is doing the job of at least a DOZEN PEOPLE- he's almost constantly seen doing kitchenwork, gardening, dusting, home repair, etc. It's clearly unrealistic, but one of those things we just accept, lest you wonder how the 17 people living in Wayne Manor manage to not discover Bruce's identity. Also, Alfred (who was not given the "Pennyworth" surname in the comics until more than twenty years after his debut) is a curious case of a stoic English butler going by his FIRST name.

-Alfred managed to be attacked numerous times during the show's run- HARDAC's minion Randa, Kyodai Ken and some Joker Gas afflicting most of Gotham all hit him at some point. He and Maggie were turned into plants by Poison Ivy, and he and his old British Intelligence partner were kidnapped by the terrorist Red Claw.

-His stats are unimpressive, but one could easily assume he was a PL 4-5 Secret Agent in his youth, and is intelligent and resourceful even now, able to drive and pilot any vehicle and still do investigative work.

About the Performer: Efrem Zimbalist Jr. got his start at acting all the way back in World War II, and even co-starred in a TV series in the 1950s. He largely did bit parts on the bigger stages (such as being on five episodes of "Maverick" as "Dandy Jim Buckley"), but was in "77 Sunset Strip" as the co-lead for six years, and was the star of "The F.B.I.", which was his most-known role (J. Edgar Hoover was so impressed that he held up Zimbalist as the example for an FBI agent's personal appearance!). While not famous today, he got a LOT of work back in the '60s, to the point where he got Jack Warner to give him time off for exhaustion! He largely faded away until showing up in minor stuff in the '90s (when he was in his seventies), which is when he got the role of Alfred (after the first actor, Clive Revill, dropped out after acting in four episodes). He also played Doctor Octopus on the "Spider-Man" cartoon series around the same time. He died in 2014, at 95 years of age.
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Re: Jab’s Builds! (Marvel- The Lost Generation! Batman: TAS)

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Mr. Zimbalist also played a vital role in Babylon 5, despite not having much screentime.
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The Man-Bat

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"SCREEEEEEEEECH!!....."

MAN-BAT (Kirk Langstrom)
Created By:
Frank Robbins & Neal Adams
First Appearance: Detective Comics #400 (June 1970)
Role: Jekyll & Hyde Villain, Animalistic Monster, Lizard Rip-Off
Mental Problems: Changes into Mindless Savage Creature
Voice Actor: Marc Singer
First Episode: "On Leather Wings"
Group Affiliations: None
Finest Moment: Pretty much hands Batman his ass any time he wants
PL 9 (100)
STRENGTH
5 STAMINA 7 AGILITY 3
FIGHTING 7 DEXTERITY 2
INTELLIGENCE -3 AWARENESS 0 PRESENCE -3

Skills:
Aerobatics 5 (+8)
Athletics 5 (+10)
Close Combat (Unarmed) 4 (+11)
Expertise (Survival) 7 (+7)
Intimidation 15 (+12)
Perception 8 (+8)
Stealth 4 (+7)

Advantages:
All-Out Attack, Daze (Intimidations), Diehard, Extraordinary Effort, Fast Grab, Great Endurance, Improved Critical (Unarmed) 2, Improved Grab, Improved Initiative, Power Attack, Startle, Takedown

Powers:
"Human/Bat Hybrid"
Flight 4 (30 mph) (Flaws: Winged) [4]
"Raw Power" Strength-Damage +2 [2]
"Echolocation" Senses 5 (Extended, Ultra & Accurate Hearing, Acute Scent) [5]

Offense:
Unarmed +11 (+7 Damage, DC 22)
Initiative +11

Defenses:
Dodge +10 (DC 20), Parry +11 (DC 21), Toughness +7, Fortitude +8, Will +5

Complications:
Motivation (Survival)
Involuntary Transformation (Kirk Langstrom & Back)- The Man-Bat can be returned to non-powered human form (basically a Bystander with INT 4 and Biological Science Expertise) using a unique chemical cocktail.
Relationship (Wife)- Kirk is married, and is beside himself with worry over his wife. When she herself becomes the "Man"-Bat, he is even worse off.

Total: Abilities: 36 / Skills: 46--23 / Advantages: 13 / Powers: 11 / Defenses: 17 (100)

-While the Man-Bat himself was not a major recurring character, he was, in fact, the first villain seen in Batman: The Animated Series. He was shown as a way to silence the critics at the networks about everything in this new show- they needed to prove that their idea for a dark, gritty Batman show could WORK, and holy hell did they knock it right out of the park. Man-Bat was no goofy Adam West opponent- this was a MONSTER. We got to see a guy transform into this horrific, screeching monster, see it beat the hell out of Batman, and even DRAW BLOOD. And yeah- it silenced the doubters and acted as their "Proof Of Concept" that this show WORKED.

-Though Man-Bat's always been one of the most minor Bat-villains by necessity (he can't talk, and his origin is just a rip-off of The Lizard's... and Dr. Jekyll, I guess), his very scary appearance paid off in spades, giving him some of the more frantic Batman episodes. He doesn't show up much in the comics, either, though I have a Batman Digest that features him as part of "The Batman Family", including Kathy & Bette Kane as Batwoman & Bat-Girl, and Bat-Mite. And he got a two-issue series of his own that was clearly not very successful in the '70s- his debut decade was clearly the biggest time in his career. Of course, he's a GIANT rip-off of Dr. Curt Connors, aka "The Lizard" of Spider-Man fame, but that's neither here nor there.

-Langstrom only appears in three episodes in the series, and as Man-Bat only in the first. The first time he shows up, he's acting as a criminal, stealing to perform experiments that can transform human beings into animal hybrids- his belief is that this will jump-start the next phase in evolution. His actions being mistaken for those of the Batman, they create a manhunt in Gotham City until Batman discovers the mild-mannere scientist suddenly growing freakish teeth and gaining a few feet in height. Batman finally subdues the creature and de-powers him. Later, Langstrom gives Batman some advice on the creations of a Dr. Moreau knock-off with a cat obsession. In his final episode, Terror in the Sky, he believes that he HAS transformed into the Man-Bat again... but it turns out that this shirt-wearing version is his WIFE, Francine, who was accidentally infected with the genetic mixture.

-Unfortunately, the lack of depth of the character, and the more "mundane" nature of his threat, means that he did not reappear after that. While exceptionally strong and fast, he's not really a VARIED opponent, being a monster and all- once Batman had gained a few levels (and started carrying much more advanced gear), "strong animal/man hybrid" wasn't really going to be as desperate a threat.

-Great at raw power as well as accuracy, he's pretty idealized as a PL 9 if not for his utter lack of Skills and extra Powers. He's kinda one-note in that regard, being just another big tough thing for Batman to fight, but nowhere near as lumbering. In fact, Man-Bat is really fast, spry and dangerous, despite being a big dumb animal. And watching the episodes in which Man-Bats appear, you realize just how dangerous they are to Bruce- the same Power Level, but MUCH stronger (+11/+7 to +15/+3), effectively giving them a much higher percentage of victory in a straight fight (as Baron has noted with his charts & graphs and stuff)- Batman is almost always going to have to outthink them, or he's going to get his ass SEVERELY kicked.

About the Performer: Mark Singer is an actor I've never heard of, but got quite a bit of work in the '80s, playing the title role in the "Beastmaster" series of films, and showing up the show "V". Most of his work outside of that has been in bit parts, though he still gets work (such as appearing in "Arrow" as General Shieve). Kirk's wife, Francine, was played by Meredith MacRae, who is best known for being one of the three Fanservice Sisters on "Petticoat Junction" (Billie Jo, in this case, though she was actually the THIRD person to play that role, but the most iconic- old TV shows swapped out actors a LOT), and was on "My Three Sons" for three years, playing Sally- one of the boys' girlfriends.
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Re: Eightyfive

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Ken wrote: Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:15 am
Jabroniville wrote: Thu May 30, 2019 11:37 pm Image
Jesus. This guy looks like Mon-el as a porn star.

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Re: The Man-Bat

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Jabroniville wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:22 am -Great at raw power as well as accuracy, he's pretty idealized as a PL 9 if not for his utter lack of Skills and extra Powers. He's kinda one-note in that regard, being just another big tough thing for Batman to fight, but nowhere near as lumbering. In fact, Man-Bat is really fast, spry and dangerous, despite being a big dumb animal. And watching the episodes in which Man-Bats appear, you realize just how dangerous they are to Bruce- the same Power Level, but MUCH stronger (+11/+7 to +15/+3), effectively giving them a much higher percentage of victory in a straight fight (as Baron has noted with his charts & graphs and stuff)- Batman is almost always going to have to outthink them, or he's going to get his ass SEVERELY kicked.
Huh. I knew about Elric's work, but not Baron's. Do you have any links? I'm curious as to whether he approached it from a different angle and therefore got different results (although it sounds like they at least came to the same conclusion about Damage/Toughness shifts and the sweet-spot being off-center).
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Re: Jab’s Builds! (Batman: TAS! Batman! Alfred! Man-Bat!)

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Oh, it's ANCIENT- I have no idea. Old-school Atomic Think Tank stuff, probably from back when I first posted these builds in like 2012 or something. Basically, Baron had it figured that your likelihood of victory went up A LOT the tougher/stronger you were, all else being equal.

What were Elric's results?
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Rupert Thorne

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"Everyone's got something to hide, Candice.... The brighter the picture, the darker the negative...."

RUPERT THORNE
Created By:
Steve Englehart & Walt Simonson
First Appearance: Detective Comics #469 (May 1977)
Role: The Crimeboss
Mental Problems: Greed, Maliciousness (against Batman & Harvey Dent)
Voice Actor: John Vernon
Finest Moment: Still rules Gotham City despite all these years of Bat-intervention
PL 6 (70)
STRENGTH
2 STAMINA 2 AGILITY 0
FIGHTING 4 DEXTERITY 0
INTELLIGENCE 4 AWARENESS 4 PRESENCE 4

Skills:
Deception 8 (+12)
Expertise (Crime Boss) 9 (+13)
Insight 2 (+6)
Intimidation 2 (+6)
Persuasion 3 (+7)

Advantages:
Benefit 3 (Wealth), Equipment 5 (Car, Tommy Gun), Improved Critical (Tommy Gun), Ranged Combat 6, Tough

Equipment:
"Tommy Gun" Blast 6 (Extras: Multiattack) (18)

Offense:
Unarmed +4 (+2 Damage, DC 17)
Tommy Gun +6 (+6 Ranged Damage, DC 21)
Initiative +0

Defenses:
Dodge +2 (DC 12), Parry +4 (DC 14), Toughness +3, Fortitude +2, Will +4

Complications:
Motivation (Greed)
Enemy (Batman, Harvey Dent)

Total: Abilities: 40 / Skills: 24--12 / Advantages: 16 / Powers: 0 / Defenses: 2 (70)

-Rupert Thorne, a character with a tiny bit of longevity in the original comics (where he was a corrupt politician and a minor character who disappeared for 20 years before showing up in prison), was redone into the basic "Crime Boss" in charge of most of Gotham City. If it involved "regular crime", it usually had Thorne at the heart of it, pulling the strings, since he had no obsessive psychoses or goofy gimmicks- he was just a consummate pro. He actually got arrested relatively few times, getting away with countless crimes (though he usually got his ass kicked anyways), one of the many ways the Batman show kind of took a more "realistic" edge on things, where douchenozzles like Thorne & Roland Daggett almost always got away with their crimes. Thorne was instrumental in turning Harvey Dent, the good-hearted D.A., into the crazed Two-Face, carried on feuds with other gangsters, and pushed his poor brother into becoming his own personal "crime doctor" (in one of the rare instances where the inside of the criminal element was given a look- you saw where the thugs went when they got shot (it couldn't be a normal hospital).

-Thorne is very much your typical crimeboss, not in very good shape, but just competent enough in a fight to be annoying. His Goons are numerous, and it gives me the opportunity to stat out your typical Gotham Gangster- a thug with a Tommy Gun (gotta love the 1930s-style Art Deco stuff) and some decent physical Stats to go along with more Skills than your typical Serpent Society member, since they've been shown busting into places, hiding, and shaking people down. Gotham Goons are actually capable enough to challenge Batman & Robin in small numbers, and often have to be disarmed of their Guns IMMEDIATELY. Many of them take several shots to take out (meaning they don't suffer from the Minion rules of M&M).

About the Performer: John Vernon was a Canadian actor who got his start playing the voice of Big Brother in 1956's "1984", and went on to start in all sorts of projects, though rarely in a major role (he played four separate villains in "Mission: Impossible" for instance), and was the by-the-book mayor in the first "Dirty Harry" film. His most famous role is probably the iconic Dean Wormer in the legendary "Animal House", playing the most stuffy of stuffy, uncool authority figures ever. Like Leslie Nielson, his serious roles soon gave way to silly ones, playing it straight in movies like "Ernest Goes To Camp" and "Airplane II". He played at his image as a villain in the blaxploitation parody "I'm Gonna Git You Sucka". He also did a lot of voice work in cartoons. He died in 2005.
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Re: Jab’s Builds! (Batman: TAS! Batman! Alfred! Man-Bat!)

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Jabroniville wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:26 am Oh, it's ANCIENT- I have no idea. Old-school Atomic Think Tank stuff, probably from back when I first posted these builds in like 2012 or something. Basically, Baron had it figured that your likelihood of victory went up A LOT the tougher/stronger you were, all else being equal.

What were Elric's results?
Average attacks to incapacitate based on relative PL
Chance to win concert based on relative tradeoffs - primary takeaway is that your best scenario is a 3-4 point Damage/Toughness trade-off.
A character wins more often when he has more of a relative damage-shift and his opponent has more of a relative attack shift, over the whole range I’ve shown. Having a 3 or 4 point damage shift relative to the opponent tends to work the best. A 3 point damage shift character wins against a 6-point attack shift opponent about 88% of the time. E.g., this could be a +7 attack/13 damage/+10 Defense/+10 Toughness character against a +16 attack/4 damage/+10 Defense/+10 Toughness opponent.
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Re: Alfred Pennyworth

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Jabroniville wrote: Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:49 pm It's clearly unrealistic, but one of those things we just accept, lest you wonder how the 17 people living in Wayne Manor manage to not discover Bruce's identity. Also, Alfred (who was not given the "Pennyworth" surname in the comics until more than twenty years after his debut) is a curious case of a stoic English butler going by his FIRST name.
In his early appearances, he was Alfred Beagle. The lifetime-confidant thing was absent. And in the first story, he didn't know Bruce and Dick were Batman and Robin. He was a butler who insisted on moving in and butlering because of familial obligations. And Bruce and Dick worried about him figuring out their secret, and of course, he did.

Alfred was also much more rotund in the early days. But then there was Batman and Robin, the 1949 movie serial, and Alfred was played by an actor named Eric Winton. And very shortly thereafter, in the comics, Alfred went on vacation to a fat farm, and came back looking like Eric Winton.
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hunh. you gonna be doing Candice too?
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HalloweenJack wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:17 pm hunh. you gonna be doing Candice too?
Nah- she doesn't actually DO anything. She just sits there. Though I love that scene where guys are flying all around her, and she gets noticeably excited ("WILD!").
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