What's new with the big two: Marvel and DC Comics discussion thread.

[NoOneofConsequence]

So, is no one else going to mention the fact that Starfire has apparently had a child with the Penguin?

[Ares]

I'll let Just Some Guy field this:

https://youtu.be/VCPr5dD5jPY

As one commenter said: "When the mother is a star and the daughter is a gas giant."

[NoOneofConsequence]

I'll let Just Some Guy field this:

https://youtu.be/VCPr5dD5jPY

Him, The Critical Drinker, and at least a half dozen others I have seen.

The really sad thing about it is that if you were to do a kid friendly animated series (say something in or around the range of The Brave and the Bold, Teen Titans, and Justice League Action in tone) based around Jonathan Kent and Damien Wayne, M'ari Greyson/Nightstar would be a perfect supporting character (along with Avia Free, Iris West, and - just to invert the apparent trend of gender flipping male superheros or their offspring - the son of Wonder Woman).

But then I am the person who believes Marvel missed an obvious opportunity with a Spidergirl animated series based on M2 with some tweaks (making the now grown Power Pack the new Fantastic Five, for example), so I am weird.

[csyphrett]

I wonder if the editor didn't notice that the main character and the author looked alike. We used to say Geoff Johns ripped off fanfiction writers, but now we have one doing a self insert story professionally
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[NoOneofConsequence]

And apparently said author is now going to be writing Batman.

[Cinder]

I wonder if the editor didn't notice that the main character and the author looked alike. We used to say Geoff Johns ripped off fanfiction writers, but now we have one doing a self insert story professionally
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It’s a shame because the artist has a cool style, IMO

[NoOneofConsequence]

It’s a shame because the artist has a cool style, IMO

Yeah, I might like a graphic novel about Starfire from a writer who actually knew about and liked the character if this person was doing the art.

This is actually one of the things I miss about the 90s: Back then, if someone wanted to do a comic about a grumpy teen with parental issues, they'd just do it, instead of trying to put a superhero skin over it. This may explain why I seem to read so much manga lately.

[Voltron64]

So Geoff Johns can probably go to hell.

[Batgirl III]

Everyone involved in the production of Justice League from the heads of studios, to the director, to the actors, to the gorram second unit’s craft services’ intern has been tripping over themselves to blame somebody else for the movie being terrible...

...I miss the days when a bad movie was just a bad movie. No one needs these Maoist Struggle Session confessions about thoughtcrime and Spanish Inquisition investigations into wrong think.

Ya’ll made a bad movie. Just shut up about it already. Print the DVD, slap a $3.95 price tag on it, and toss it in the bargain bin at Walmart.

[MacynSnow]

I'm with BG on this. Adam Sandler's Pixels was a bad movie, but you don't see anybody associated with it going "Racist were involved!" to get out of it being bad.Warner's is scrambling to explain why such a hyped movie sucked so bad at the Boxes...

[Jabroniville]

Everyone involved in the production of Justice League from the heads of studios, to the director, to the actors, to the gorram second unit’s craft services’ intern has been tripping over themselves to blame somebody else for the movie being terrible...

...I miss the days when a bad movie was just a bad movie. No one needs these Maoist Struggle Session confessions about thoughtcrime and Spanish Inquisition investigations into wrong think.

Ya’ll made a bad movie. Just shut up about it already. Print the DVD, slap a $3.95 price tag on it, and toss it in the bargain bin at Walmart.

I recall you explaining just how much damage had been done to DC's public image with the failure of the original one- Hollywood being quick to play the "blame game" and stuff like this now being common with people calling out others they felt had victimized them... combine that with the desperation people have for the DC Cinematic Universe to be a success, and hoo boy- it's endless. "No, no- try us again- the RACISTS are gone!" can be their new message.

[Batgirl III]

We’ve also seen a massive rise in preemptive attacks directed at the audience themselves prior to the release of some films.

For example, the 2016 [s]remake[/s] [s]reboot[/s] regurgitation of Ghostbusters, all three of the Star Wars prequels, and Captain Marvel saw a blitzkrieg of prerelease press coverage talking about how misogyny meant a movie with a female lead wouldn’t do well with audiences. (That no such articles were written about Wonder Woman, Cabin in the Woods, or Black Widow... Well, draw your own conclusions.)

Don’t misunderstand me. I know there are sexists out there who won’t watch a film starring a woman (unless it’s pornography) and there are racists that won’t watch a film starring a black man (ditto). But... like... that’s maaaybe a couple thousand people in a nation of 328 million.

Likewise, I don’t necessarily think that actors, directors, and other celebrities have to be apolitical sequestered hermits. I’m an opinionated person who will bloviate about my political philosophies at the drop of a hat, obviously it would be hypocritical not to extend the same to the Robert DeNiro’s and Alyssa Milano’s of the world. But, like, learn to read the room people.

Make a good film and people will come out to see it. But we are sick to death of being lectured.

When Ricky Gervais nailed them with his Golden Globe opening remarks last year, he said something that I think an awful lot of us feel these days: “ Shut up. Shut up. I don't care. I don't care.”

[csyphrett]

I haven't seen the other movies mentioned, but Ghostbusters 2016 was awful. My boy, who is a fan, just got up and left the room in the middle of the movie. That movie had people who weren't fans saying that women shouldn't be in the roles, and people who were fans saying this movie isn't funny. Paul Feige dismissed everything as misogny. And then the movie tanked.

The people who weren't fans were like we tanked this movie. The people who were fans were like I can do better than this, and why is Hemsworth playing a secretary who can't even answer the phone?
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[csyphrett]

After Infinite Frontier which replaced the 5g thing that was canned when Didio was canned, they are setting up a linear verse for a limited run where everyone started their careers when they published and they have experienced every story so the modern 2k batman is the same man as the 38 batman
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[Ares]

After Infinite Frontier which replaced the 5g thing that was canned when Didio was canned, they are setting up a linear verse for a limited run where everyone started their careers when they published and they have experienced every story so the modern 2k batman is the same man as the 38 batman
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Yeah, it's basically Grant Morrison's Hypertime idea, but somehow more stupid. It gets into this idea that reality is all about perspective, your point of view, and how characters age at different rates but no one notices unless it's important, it basically becomes "Do whatever you want, nothing matters anymore".

I remember one line by the creators that was the dumbest thing I'd heard in months. "The reason parallel universes aren't parallel is the same reason the sea is not parallel. It doesn't mean anything."

Which just tells me this guy doesn't understand how "parallel" works.

I'm just done with DC right now. Crisis was the first major continuity shake up, and they went 20 years without another major one. Then Infinite Crisis happened in 2006. Then Flashpoint happened in 2011. Then we got Convergence in 2015. Then Doomsday Clock in 2017. Then we got the Dark Multiverse/Death Metal/Batman Who Laughs/Perpetua stuff. Now This.

DC Comics literally can't go 5 years without rebooting things. This needs to fickin stop.