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Re: Jab’s Builds! (Sharon Carter! MODOK! Batroc! Zaran! Machete!)

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Weirdly enough one of the greatest Batroc moments I remember didn't involve Batroc at all, but only a projection of him. During Operation Galactic Storm the Kree's Supreme Intelligence pitted Cap against projections of his worst enemies (it was #400 of the series): the Red Skull, Crossbones, Viper, King Cobra, Flag-Smaher and Batroc. They ganged up on Steve and managed to pin him down. The Skull was about to delived the final blow with his old toxic gas, when Batroc let Cap's right arm go. Steve punched the Skull, causing him to gas Crossbones instead (freeing his left arm and the shield) and took down the rest of the opponent. Apparently even a mental projection of Batroc, built from Cap's memories didn't want the big boy to go down in such undignified manner.
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Re: Jab’s Builds! (Sharon Carter! MODOK! Batroc! Zaran! Machete!)

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That's the sort of Worthy Adversary stuff I love comics for. But it's somewhat difficult to pull off in gameplay, due to players wanting to definitively kick ass. You really need a strong session zero and defined genre to be explicit about with PCs if you want to get to re-use villains, and let them be awesome in their own right.
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Re: Jab’s Builds! (Sharon Carter! MODOK! Batroc! Zaran! Machete!)

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I'd actually like characters such as Zaran and Shockwave not to be such jobbers, characters who have genuine skill and military and/or intelligence experience. I mean obviously they're not going to defeat Cap or Iron Man but they should at least not job so easily to low powered or inexperienced heroes.
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Machete (Mariano)

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MACHETE III (Mariano Lopez)
Created By:
Dan Slott & Paul Pelletier
First Appearance: GLA #3 (July 2005)
Role: Replacement Villain, Weapon Guy, Jobber Villain
Group Affiliations: Batroc's Brigade
PL 7 (86)
STRENGTH
3 STAMINA 3 AGILITY 4
FIGHTING 8 DEXTERITY 2
INTELLIGENCE 1 AWARENESS 1 PRESENCE 1

Skills:
Acrobatics 5 (+8)
Deception 4 (+5)
Expertise (Mercenary) 4 (+5)
Insight 2 (+3)
Intimidation 4 (+5)
Perception 4 (+5)
Persuasion 3 (+4)
Ranged Combat (Throwing Blades) 8 (+10)
Search 4 (+5)
Sleight of Hand 4 (+6)

Advantages:
Accurate Attack, All-Out Attack, Benefit (Ambidexterity), Defensive Roll, Equipment 2 (Machetes & Throwing Knives), Quick Draw, Takedown

Equipment:
"Machete" Strength-Damage +3 (Extras: Penetrating 5) (8) -- (10)
  • AE: "Throwing Blades" Strength-Damage +0 (Extras: Ranged 3, Multiattack 3) (Diminished Range -1) (5)
  • AE: "Twin Machetes" Strength-Damage +4 (Inaccurate -1) (3)
Offense:
Unarmed +8 (+3 Damage, DC 18)
Machete +8 (+6 Damage, DC 21)
Throwing Blades +10 (+4 Ranged Damage, DC 20)
Initiative +4

Defenses:
Dodge +10 (DC 20), Parry +10 (DC 20), Toughness +3 (+4 D.Roll), Fortitude +5, Will +3

Complications:
Motivation (Greed)

Total: Abilities: 46 / Skills: 42--21 / Advantages: 8 / Powers: 0 / Defenses: 11 (86)

-So with two Machetes already dead, a THIRD one was created, as apparently Fernando & Alfonso had ANOTHER brother, one who looked exactly like the two of them so the artist didn't have to design a whole new character- well isn't THAT convenient? He helps the team fight the new Great Lakes Avengers incarnation, but is easily defeated by a mass of squirrels summoned by Squirrel Girl while trying to help Maelstrom steal stuff. This character literally only appears in the GLA comedy series by Dan Slott, then features in a few guest shots in Thunderbolts and Union Jack as a backgrounder, being disarmed when the new Arabian Knight dusts his blades with his own Magic Scimitar, and Sabra then KOs him.

-Mariano has even less credibility than his brothers, being a total PL 7 loser. Every superhero he encounters, even goofy ones or rookies, is able to easily defeat him.
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Machete (the girl)

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MACHETE IV (Real Name Unknown)
Created By:
Cullen Bunn & Barry Kitson
First Appearance: Captain America & Iron Man- One Night in Madripoor #1 (Aug. 2012)
Role: Replacement Villain, Weapon User, One-Off Villain
Group Affiliations: Batroc's Brigade
PL 7 (86)
STRENGTH
2 STAMINA 3 AGILITY 4
FIGHTING 9 DEXTERITY 2
INTELLIGENCE 1 AWARENESS 1 PRESENCE 1

Skills:
Acrobatics 5 (+8)
Deception 4 (+5)
Expertise (Mercenary) 4 (+5)
Insight 2 (+3)
Intimidation 4 (+5)
Perception 4 (+5)
Persuasion 3 (+4)
Ranged Combat (Throwing Blades) 8 (+10)
Search 4 (+5)
Sleight of Hand 4 (+6)

Advantages:
Accurate Attack, All-Out Attack, Benefit (Ambidexterity), Equipment 2 (Machetes & Throwing Knives), Quick Draw, Takedown

Equipment:
"Machete" Strength-Damage +3 (Extras: Penetrating 5) (8) -- (10)
  • AE: "Throwing Blades" Strength-Damage +0 (Extras: Ranged 3, Multiattack 3) (Diminished Range -1) (5)
  • AE: "Twin Machetes" Strength-Damage +4 (Inaccurate -1) (3)
Offense:
Unarmed +9 (+2 Damage, DC 17)
Machete +9 (+5 Damage, DC 20)
Throwing Blades +10 (+4 Ranged Damage, DC 20)
Initiative +4

Defenses:
Dodge +11 (DC 21), Parry +11 (DC 21), Toughness +3, Fortitude +5, Will +3

Complications:
Motivation (Greed)

Total: Abilities: 46 / Skills: 42--21 / Advantages: 7 / Powers: 0 / Defenses: 12 (86)

-HAHAHAAHAHAHAH WHY IS THERE A FOURTH MACHETE?!?

-Seriously, the last one was even STILL ALIVE! Yet suddenly in a random Cap/Iron Man Limited Series, there's a fourth Machete out there, this one a woman. Granted, they probably shoulda done this with the second or third instead of Xeroxing the original guy, but wow. She simply appears with Batroc & Zaran as a new Batroc's Brigade. When Iron Man's armor is disabled by the Brigade's employer, and Machete prepares to kill him (... can a machete cut through Iron Man's armor?). I, um, guess it didn't work, because Iron Man isn't dead.
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Re: Jab’s Builds! (Sharon Carter! MODOK! Batroc! Zaran! Machete!)

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A low level character can defeat a high level character or at least shake them to a draw, given the right circumstances and rolls. With jobber villains, they just aren't played effectively. ;)
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Bucky, the Winter Soldier

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THE WINTER SOLDIER (James Buchanan Barnes, aka Bucky, Captain America VII)
Created By:
Joe Simon & Jack Kirby
First Appearance: Captain America Comics #1 (March 1941)
Role: The Replacement, The Ascended Sidekick
Group Affiliations: The Avengers (Modern), The U.S. Army, The Invaders, The All-Winners Squad, The Young Allies, The Kid Commandos
Avengers Grade: B-Level
PL 11 (184)
STRENGTH
3/5 STAMINA 4 AGILITY 5
FIGHTING 12 DEXTERITY 5
INTELLIGENCE 3 AWARENESS 4 PRESENCE 3

Skills:
Acrobatics 7 (+12)
Athletics 4 (+7)
Close Combat (Unarmed) 2 (+14)
Close Combat (Shield) 1 (+13)
Deception 7 (+10)
Expertise (Winter Soldier/Assassin/Spy) 12 (+15)
Expertise (History) 6 (+9)
Insight 4 (+8)
Intimidation 4 (+7)
Investigation 5 (+9)
Perception 9 (+13)
Ranged Combat (Guns) 2 (+15)
Sleight of Hand 4 (+9)
Stealth 4 (+9)
Technology 4 (+7)
Treatment 2 (+5)
Vehicles 3 (+8)

Advantages:
Accurate Attack, All-Out Attack, Assessment, Beginner's Luck, Chokehold, Defensive Attack, Defensive Strike, Equipment 5 (Gear, Gun, Costume), Evasion, Fast Grab, Improved Aim, Improved Critical (Gun), Improved Critical (Shield), Improved Critical (Unarmed), Improved Defense, Improved Disarm, Improved Initiative, Improved Hold, Jack-of-All-Trades, Languages (Various European), Power Attack, Precise Attack 2 (Ranged/Cover & Concealment), Quick Draw, Ranged Attack 7, Skill Mastery (Assassin)

Powers:
"Cybernetic Arm"
Enhanced Strength 2 (Flaws: Limited to One Arm) [1]
"Holographic Disguise/Remote Movement" Features 2: Subtle on Arm, Arm Can Move By His Commands [2]

"EMP Shut-Down Wave" Affliction 10 (Tech Skill of Creator; Impaired/Disabled/Transformed to Powerless) (Extras: Cumulative (Flaws: Limited to Technology) (10) -- [11]
  • AE: "EMP Discharge" Damage 10 (10)
Equipment:
Assorted Gear (5)
"Body Armour" Protection 2 (2)
"Standard Rifle Shot" Blast 6 (12) -- (15)
  • AE: “Sniper Rifle” Blast 6 (Feast: Improved Critical, Extended Range 3) (Flaws: Distracting) (9)
  • AE: "Pistol" Blast 5 (10)
  • AE: "Grenades" Blast 5 (Extras: Area- 30ft. Burst) (Diminished Range -1) (14)
Offense:
Unarmed +14 (+4 Damage, DC 19)
Metal Arm +14 (+5 Damage, DC 20)
Pistol +15 (+5 Ranged Damage, DC 20)
Sniper Rifle +15 (+6 Ranged Damage, DC 21)
Grenade +5 Area (+5 Damage, DC 20)
Initiative +9

Defenses:
Dodge +14 (DC 24), Parry +14 (DC 24), Toughness +4 (+6 Costume), Fortitude +7, Will +8

Complications:
Responsibility (America/Democracy)- As the proud symbol of America, Cap is the one most-affected by attacks against her, as well as the target of her enemies.
Enemy (The Red Skull)- The Skull hunts Bucky, same as he did Steve.
Guilt (The Winter Soldier)- Bucky was forced for years to carry out assassinations and brutal acts of espionage on behalf of Communist Russia. He remembers all of this, and it haunts him.
Power Loss (Shield)- If Bucky misses badly with his Shield (natural 1-5), he will be unable to use it's attacks or defenses until he runs up and grabs it. Similarly, if an enemy catches it, the same applies.
Weakness (Electrical/Magnetic Attacks)- Bucky's cybernetic arm is a target for either. Both do extra damage, or take further effect (Stunning, etc.).
Relationship (The Black Widow)- They are sometimes attached.

Total: Abilities: 78 / Skills: 78--39 / Advantages: 35 / Powers: 14 / Defenses: 18 (184)

HOLY SHIT THEY BROUGHT BACK BUCKY!:
-The saga of the Winter Soldier is one of the most fascinating comic book storylines to come out in years- I mean, they RESURRECTED BUCKY. Christ, they used to have a joke in comics that "The only people who stay dead are Gwen Stacy, Uncle Ben, and Bucky"- HE WAS ONE OF THE THREE AND THEY BROUGHT HIM BACK!! Not only that, but revealed him to be a brainwashed cyborg assassin for years. It has all the makings of the worst thing ever, the one thing that would ruin Captain America forever (like smacking Jan did Hank Pym). But no- with careful enough writing, ANY lame concept can become awesome. This is eternal proof of the age-old notion that a good writer can make ANY stupid thing work- Ed Brubaker's raw ability pulled this whole thing off like gangbusters. And not only that, but they created an extra big star in modern comics as a result. It was just the right combination of bittersweet reunions (Bucky had been used as an assassin for years, and was cybernetic now as well- lots of angst instead of just happy reunions), badass character redesigns and a lot of uncertainty, all paid off with a happy ending in the vein of classic comics.

Bucky- Kid Sidekick:
-Bucky was a generic Kid Sidekick back in the day- the first drawing Jack Kirby did of the "Captain America" character indicates that "We should give him a sidekick so he's not always talking to himself all the time!". Bucky was more or less just like Robin- the same age, same domino mask, etc.- he was an "Army Unit Mascot" who'd discovered Steve Rogers changing, and so Steve made the casual, ridiculous decision to make this preteen boy his sidekick and bring him into warzones. '40s comics! The pair were successful Nazi-fighters for years, and a big success during the Golden Age, with Bucky often appearing on covers with Cap, Namor and the Human Torch. He & Torch's sidekick, Toro, also became a popular duo, helping form the Young Allies with a band of stereotypes and went on adventures of their own. He & Cap were so linked that Bucky would join most of Cap's other WWII teams, such as the All-Winners Squad (with Namor, Torch, Whizzer & Miss America). Retcon comics of the 1970s established him as a member of the Invaders as well.

-And yet... Bucky was gone in the Silver Age. Stan Lee, who HATED Kid Sidekicks, actually had Bucky get shot and injured, and replaced him with a female character in the 1940s comics (the Golden Girl), and when it came time to resurrect Cap in modern times, telling the story of him being frozen in ice, Bucky was KILLED! This was a dramatic, eye-opening thing for the time (superheroes almost NEVER died! EVER!), and cast a huge shadow over the brilliant return of Captain America- instead of being this happy, triumphant returning hero, the most DC-like of Marvel's nutjob heroes was now constantly depressed, in a world that had passed him by (though not even twenty years had elapsed since WWII by that time), with his partner and best friend being killed on their final mission. Cap had survivor's guilt BAD, and constantly talked about his former partner and lost friend. It was a really nice bit of tragedy added to the Silver Age comics.

-It says something that Bucky went un-resurrected for YEARS- no manner of bad story arcs, writers trying to "make their mark", etc., would have let anyone even CONSIDER bringing Bucky back from the dead. His death was too important to Cap, and the character obviously just didn't fit into modern comics (Marvel NEVER used Kid Sidekicks for the most part after the '40s). Brief teases were shown here and there, like when Cap had to fight and beat Bucky as part of the Grandmaster's Legion of the Unliving, and told the Wasp that he'd have to grieve later, but take him out in the present. And so for forty years of Captain America stories, we never got more than a gimpse of Bucky Barnes- just replacements (like the man who became Nomad, or the BUCkies who fought the Super-Patriot).

The Winter Soldier:
-And then all of a sudden 2005 sees THE RETURN OF BUCKY!! Ed Brubaker starts off his run of Captain America with a huge bang, suddenly revealing this adult-aged, long-haired, robot-armed Bucky Barnes was ALIVE AND WELL, now acting as the brainwashed Russian super-assasin, the "Winter Soldier". Apparently the Soviets had found his maimed body, rebuilt him, and brainwashed him into acting as a Soviet assassin for years, then put him on ice until they needed him again later. Cap is thus tortured further by the fact that his friend is alive, but lost to him, and the two fight. But the Red Skull, who is now part of this whole mess (having possessed the body of one of the Soldier's Russian controllers), uses the Cosmic Cube to do stuff again, and Cap manages to grab the thing. And, with all the world's power at his fingertips, all he will consider doing is bringing back his friend- in a moment, Bucky's brainwashing is done with, and he remembers who he is. It's a testament to Brubaker's talent again- what was at-heart a Spy Story involving Cap & Sharon Carter, you suddenly had a frickin' Cosmic Cube- a super-powerful sci-fi cosmic artifact, and it didn't look that out of place in the story.

-Bucky, now a hero once more, allies with Cap & co. Brubaker elaborates upon Bucky's backstory, making it a bit darker and less "Golden Age"- pointing out that he was trained to be a behind-the-scenes assassin who'd do the stuff the big, shiny hero Cap couldn't be seen associated with. So while Cap was this living embodiment of America, Bucky was doing the dirty stuff like garroting generals behind enemy lines. They blow off his age with the classic "Come on- we know he's not the only sixteen-year-old boy in the army", and Brubaker, a much grittier writer, actually pulls off the Kid Sidekick thing in a way that's modern and makes sense, while still being true to the core of the characters- Cap & Bucky are still best friends and ideal partners, even while Bucky is now this dark, tortured assassin who's killed innocent people and is willing to kill in modern times.

Bucky-Cap:
-And so Brubaker tosses us another curveball, as Captain America is killed by the Red Skull's machinations, and BUCKY of all people is charged with being the new Cap. And so we get the age-old story of "I can't live up to Steve's ideal, but I will try". He forms a relationship with the Black Widow (it's shown they have a history from their Soviet days), joins the Avengers, and more. He and Namor have some cool moments as old friends- Namor, typically, always affords his War allies with proper respect and consideration, and it's a nice contrast from his usual imperious self. This lasts a couple of years until Cap returns, and Bucky goes back to things. Without Brubaker as his "daddy", though, his run got kind of muddled, even as the Marvel Movies turned him into a big star, with the second Captain America picture bringing the character back as Steve's long-haired, badass old partner. Cap voluntarily retired and became head of S.H.I.E.L.D. for a bit, leaving Bucky as Cap for a while longer, until he feels he's too tainted after it becomes public what the Winter Soldier did while a Russian agent. He fakes his death and goes on as the Soldier again (with only Cap, Nick Fury & Black Widow knowing he's still alive).

-Then of course, the extraordinarily-dumb Original Sin plot sees a lot of secrets be revealed, including that Fury used to protect Earth from alien threats for years, in secret... but flying around on a Space Motorcycle and shooting individual aliens in the head. The story's big ending sees Fury finally die (to allow his black son to take over and look like the movie's version)... and hilariously, Bucky is seen in what is supposed to be a meanginful scene, just shooting individual aliens in the head. It's supposed to come off as this big, dramatic thing, and make him look ruthless and "I have to do this to save the world", but holy god it looks so dumb, especially as most of Marvel's heroes had killed HUNDREDS of alien invaders by this point. And later he just gets farted around with, as this stupid plot point is ignored and he's an ally during Secret Empire, helping undo HYDRA's attempt at world-takeover. In the story's finale, he, Ant-Man & Sam Wilson (now ANOTHER replacement Cap) successfully trick HYDRA-Cap into letting them enter a shattered Cosmic Cube, and they rescue the original, actual Steve Rogers, who defeats HYDRA-Cap and saves the world. Bucky goes off on his own after this, mourning Black Widow, who died in the story.

Bucky's Capabilities:
-Bucky is a PL 11 variant of Cap (especially if you give him the Shield, which boosts his Defenses) & Black Widow, using slightly different effects. He's not PL 11 all over- he's got flaws and some problems against certain enemies (particularly super-strong guys like Master Man and the Grand Director, who have given him fits), but still was able to fight TONY FRICKING STARK to a stand-still using his smarts and battle tactics. He hits a full PL 11 when he's using the Shield, but that was only for like a year or so. And that's it. He's effective, but not TOO effective to be used well in a spy story. He's even better than Cap at Spy Stuff (Stealth, Deception, the Skill in general to fill the other things he might need), but he's not as good a fighter (he notes SEVERAL times that Cap was "three times as strong" as he was, in addition to being WAY tougher and much faster).

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BUCKY (James Buchanan "Bucky" Barnes)
Created By:
Joe Simon & Jack Kirby
First Appearance: Captain America Comics #1 (March 1941)
Role: The Kid Sidekick
Group Affiliations: The U.S. Army, The Invaders, The All-Winners Squad, The Young Allies, The Kid Commandos
Avengers Grade: B-Level
PL 8 (121)
STRENGTH
1 STAMINA 2 AGILITY 4
FIGHTING 10 DEXTERITY 4
INTELLIGENCE 2 AWARENESS 2 PRESENCE 2

Skills:
Acrobatics 6 (+10)
Athletics 5 (+6)
Deception 5 (+7)
Expertise (Soldier) 6 (+8)
Insight 4 (+6)
Intimidation 2 (+4)
Investigation 4 (+6)
Perception 6 (+8)
Sleight of Hand 4 (+8)
Stealth 4 (+8)
Technology 2 (+4)
Treatment 2 (+4)
Vehicles 2 (+6)

Advantages:
Accurate Attack, Beginner's Luck, Defensive Attack, Equipment 5 (Gear, Guns), Evasion, Improved Aim, Improved Critical (Gun), Improved Critical (Unarmed), Improved Defense, Improved Disarm, Improved Initiative, Languages (Various European), Power Attack, Ranged Attack 6

Equipment:
Assorted Gear (3)
"Uniform" Protection 1 (1)
"Automatic Rifle" Blast 6 (Extras: Multiattack) (18) -- (21)
  • AE: "Pistol" Blast 5 (10)
  • AE: "Grenades" Blast 5 (Extras: Area- 30ft. Burst) (Diminished Range -1) (14)
  • AE: "Knife" Strength-Damage +1 (Feats: Improved Critical) (2)
Offense:
Unarmed +10 (+1 Damage, DC 16)
Knife +10 (+2 Damage, DC 17)
Pistol +10 (+5 Ranged Damage, DC 20)
Rifle +10 (+6 Ranged Damage, DC 21)
Initiative +8

Defenses:
Dodge +11 (DC 21), Parry +11 (DC 21), Toughness +2 (+3 Uniform), Fortitude +6, Will +7

Complications:
Responsibility (The Army)

Total: Abilities: 54 / Skills: 54--27 / Advantages: 23 / Powers: 0 / Defenses: 17 (121)

-WWII-era Bucky's had some changes made to him over the years. No longer just a "plucky sidekick", he's been re-imagined as a darker character, an orphan who was a great natural scrapper, and got teamed up with Cap to do the "dirty work". Since Cap was a walking symbol of America, he couldn't be caught sneaking behind enemy lines, slitting throats and assassinating people- hence Bucky. Bucky would do all that and more, and he actually grew up over the war. Starting at sixteen left him in his early twenties by the end (as Brubaker pointed out in an interview, stating that there's no way he was a teen from '41 to '45). He's a very capable kid, but still two PLs below Cap himself. A dirty-fighting scrapper, he's good with knives and guns, and is beyond most common soldiers by a ways.

-You could argue that this Retcon ruins a lot of old comics, and is poopy because of it, but hell- who on Earth would have put a tiny young boy out there in the FIRING LINES of World War II in real life? You don't see cops running around with 13-year olds beside them, wearing tiny little cop uniforms. I kind of liked that he was a scrappy 16-year old all of a sudden ("come on, General- we know he's not the only sixteen-year-old in the war").
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Re: Jab’s Builds! (MODOK! Batroc! Zaran! Machete! Winter Soldier!)

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So I was hunting through your builds and I can’t find the Living Laser am I just that bad at searching or is there a marvel character you really haven’t done?
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Re: Jab’s Builds! (MODOK! Batroc! Zaran! Machete! Winter Soldier!)

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Virtuegm55 wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:32 am So I was hunting through your builds and I can’t find the Living Laser am I just that bad at searching or is there a marvel character you really haven’t done?
He hasn't been reposted to the thread yet (to my knowlege) but he's in the Build Dump thread:
in the Iron Man builds.
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Re: Batroc the Leaper

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Jabroniville wrote: Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:41 am Image

Greatest comic panel ever, bar none.

He'd probably get more cred if he was a Daredevil or Moon Knight villain, but NO- he had to go for the big leagues.
If he went for those guys, nobody would even know who he is! At least he is in the MCU and does a decent job... LOL
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As for your FOUR Machete write-ups...you still missed this guy:
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Re: Jab’s Builds! (MODOK! Batroc! Zaran! Machete! Winter Soldier!)

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THE REPLACEMENT CAPS, BUCKIES & NOMADS:
-As a character with 70+ years of history, it's perhaps no surprise that Cap has been replaced. But thanks to a variety of retcons to explain old comics, modern stories where the hero was indisposed or stepped down, and more, we've had EIGHT Captain Americas! Adding to that, we've now had multiple Buckies- replicating his original sidekick! Oh, and even NOMAD, an identity he grabbed for four issues, has popped up on four different people since then! Like, WTF, Marvel?

BUCKY I-V:
-Yes, there's even been a wild number of BUCKIES, some being retcons and others being later incarnations.

BUCKY I (Bucky Barnes):
-The original Golden Age hero was Cap's first sidekick, and a perennial teenager. A happy-go-lucky kid and earnest partner, he was stated to have been tragically killed at the end of the War. That is, until 40 years later, when Ed Brubaker retconned in that he was the "Winter Soldier", a brainwashed Soviet assassin. Brubaker has also retconned in that Bucky was an advance-man and trained assassin, and aged up over the course of the War.

BUCKY II (Fred Davis, Jr.):
-Fred actually appeared as a What If? character first, but is established as the Bucky who showed up in the Post-War Cap books alongside replacement Caps. He was the Bucky shot and wounded in 1948, as Stan Lee, who hated Teen Sidekicks, wanted him gone and switched him out with the Golden Girl. He's said to have a permanent limp as a result.

BUCKY III (Jack Monroe):
-Steve Englehart, in retconning in the "Commie Smasher" Cap as a different guy, also made sure to explain what happened to his Bucky. Jack was a jerkoff hero in some 1980s comics I have, and later took up Cap's discarded "Nomad" identity, then became an edgy gun-toting hero in the '90s before largely disappearing. He was killed off in Ed Brubaker's run- a loose end he felt like doing away with.

BUCKY ?? (Rick Jones):
-In the 1960s stories, Cap, reeling from the death of Bucky, was introduced to Rick Jones, eager to become the "new Bucky" and train with him. Cap was mortified and forbid it, but still befriended Rick and trained him. I wouldn't consider Rick in true consideration as a Bucky.

THE BUCKIES (Bold Urban Commandos):
-When John Walker was the Super-Patriot, he publicly staged a number of appearances to decry Captain America as "old-fashioned" and washed-up. To back him up, a trio of "BUCkies" were arranged to fight him in fixed contests to make him look better. Two were discarded by the U.S. governement when Walker became the new Captain America- the other became the official new "Bucky".

BUCKY IV (Lemar Hoskins, aka Battlestar):
-Since one of the BUCkies was black, he stood out enough for writer Mark Gruenwald to use him as the new "Bucky". Informed of the racial connotations of that name and title, he was quickly rechristened "Battlestar" and made his own man. He remained a minor character in the Cap book, as John often left him to do his own thing, and later joined the Silver Sable book when Walker became the U.S. Agent. A background character ever since.

BUCKY V (Rikkie Barnes, aka Nomad III):
-Rikki is the Heroes Reborn Bucky- a teenage granddaughter of the Golden Age hero on an alternate Earth. She was brought to the mainstream Marvel Universe a while later, but took the "Nomad" identity, as Jack Monroe had.
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Rick Jones is an amazing character. He's like Jimmy Olson, and all the Silver age superdickery that came with it, but for half of the classic Marvel heroes- Captain Marvel, Captain America, Hulk. I'm sure that I'm missing even more.
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Spectrum wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:56 pm Rick Jones is an amazing character. He's like Jimmy Olson, and all the Silver age superdickery that came with it, but for half of the classic Marvel heroes- Captain Marvel, Captain America, Hulk. I'm sure that I'm missing even more.
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Bucky (Fred Davis, Jr.)

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How Stan Lee wrote out Bucky.

BUCKY II (Fred Davis, Jr.)
Created By:
Steve Englehart & Sal Buscema
First Appearance: What If? #4 (Aug. 1977)
Role: Replacement Hero (to Bucky)
Group Affiliations: The U.S. Army, The Invaders, The All-Winners Squad
PL 7 (99)
STRENGTH
1 STAMINA 2 AGILITY 4
FIGHTING 9 DEXTERITY 4
INTELLIGENCE 1 AWARENESS 2 PRESENCE 2

Skills:
Acrobatics 6 (+10)
Athletics 5 (+6)
Deception 5 (+7)
Insight 4 (+6)
Investigation 4 (+6)
Perception 4 (+6)
Sleight of Hand 4 (+8)
Stealth 4 (+8)
Treatment 2 (+3)
Vehicles 2 (+6)

Advantages:
Defensive Attack, Equipment 5 (Gear, Guns), Evasion, Improved Aim, Improved Critical (Unarmed), Improved Defense, Improved Disarm, Improved Initiative, Ranged Attack 4

Equipment:
Assorted Gear (3)
"Uniform" Protection 1 (1)
"Automatic Rifle" Blast 6 (Extras: Multiattack) (18) -- (21)
  • AE: "Pistol" Blast 5 (10)
  • AE: "Grenades" Blast 5 (Extras: Area- 30ft. Burst) (Diminished Range -1) (14)
  • AE: "Knife" Strength-Damage +1 (Feats: Improved Critical) (2)
Offense:
Unarmed +9 (+1 Damage, DC 16)
Knife +9 (+2 Damage, DC 17)
Pistol +8 (+5 Ranged Damage, DC 20)
Rifle +8 (+6 Ranged Damage, DC 21)
Initiative +8

Defenses:
Dodge +10 (DC 20), Parry +10 (DC 20), Toughness +2 (+3 Uniform), Fortitude +5, Will +5

Complications:
Responsibility (The Army)

Total: Abilities: 50 / Skills: 40--20 / Advantages: 16 / Powers: 0 / Defenses: 13 (99)

-So when Captain America was resurrected in 1963's Avengers, it was revealed that Bucky had died on a mission near the end of the War, throwing some extra tragedy onto Cap's life. However, there were Cap & Bucky stories written AFTER the war, as the feature wasn't done away with until years after the war was over! So to explain these away to continuity-obsessed fans (rather than ignoring them), Steve Englehart wrote in a couple of REPLACEMENTS. So the "Steve Rogers" and "Bucky Barnes" of these stories were in fact other people.

-The replacement Bucky was Fred Davis, Jr., asked to take the job by President Harry Truman, who feared that it would be a blow to American morale to see Cap & Bucky dead. The first replacement Cap, William Naslund, died in 1946, and Jeff Mace took over. The two continued on until 1948 (in the comics, Bucky had remained the same age all this time, despite his origins being rooted in the War), when he was shot by a criminal and badly wounded. So yeah, the "Bucky" who Stan Lee got shot to replace with the Golden Girl was actually THIS kid. Davis had to retire with a permanent limp for good after that. In 1951, he is said to have joined the V-Battalion, as continuity nerd Kurt Busiek was like "Hey, I gotta use this random side-character". He was later killed by a sleeper agent who wanted to send a message to the original Bucky, now the Winter Soldier.

-Davis is likely just like Bucky Barnes, but a bit worse. He was a bat-boy for the New York Yankees beforehand.
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Spectrum wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:56 pm Rick Jones is an amazing character. He's like Jimmy Olson, and all the Silver age superdickery that came with it, but for half of the classic Marvel heroes- Captain Marvel, Captain America, Hulk. I'm sure that I'm missing even more.
Rick Jones really bothers me. I'm surprisingly able to accept lots of things in comics. Nobody stays dead, suspiciously identical cousins, and how pretty much all long term Robins (Steph was robbed) look the same. I don't really have a problem with all the replacement Caps either. But the sort of Sentry-esque Mary Sue of 'secretly I've been best friends with/involved with/better than all these pre-existing heroes? That really irritates me. It also bother me (somewhat) when new heroes like the Runaways try to be so much cooler than pre-existing heroes. I think that's why I like Miss Marvel so much. She has ... Good adventures. She doesn't need to punk Doom or the Enchantress or the Kingpin to be cool. She does cool things, wears a cool costume, and is heroic. I'm not some terrible stasis guy. I like to see characters change and grow. But you have to earn it.
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