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The Dino Vengers

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THE DINO VENGERS
Role:
Heroic Allies, Spotlight-Stealing Squad

-The Dino Vengers are a very curious addition to the Street Sharks show- a quartet of alien dinosaur-men arrive on Earth and pretty much run away with the series for its final eight episodes, as various supporting characters get the bump to feature the DinoVengers fighting their enemies, the Raptors, who wanted to heat up Earth to rule over it more easily. The show is even renamed Dino Vengers Featuring The Street Sharks! And when Street Sharks finally ends, these guys get their very own show- Extreme Dinosaurs! Except now the lore is different- the Dinosaurs were mutated by an alien bad guy who wanted them as tools of war. They resisted him, so he recruited the Raptors instead. The leader of the villains (Badrap) fires a weapon that results in the extinction of all the dinosaurs, but they and the heroes survive in suspended animation until the present day. Both shows use the exact same characters, but some personalities are different- the new version has the Raptors acting much more comedically.

Extreme Dinosaurs soon spun off from the show in 1997, right as Street Sharks died out, and lasted an astonishing FIFTY-TWO episodes!

The Cast:
T-BONE: Tyrannosaurus and team leader- he is more focused on the mission at hand than the others. Can do a Ground Pound attack called the "Seismic Stomp", often with the others.
SPIKE: Triceratops with one broken horn. The resident martial arts expert and chef.
STEGZ: Stegosaurus technical genius. Can curl his body into a "destructive saw blade".
BULLZEYE: Pteranodon wise-cracker with an ear-splitting sonic shriek. Lazy and prone to impulse-buying.
HARD ROCK: Ankylosaurus added to the show later- hails from an alternate reality inhabited by humanoid dinosaurs. Joins the EDs after helping them out. Pacifistic.

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BAD RAP: Leader of the Raptors. Metal brace on his mouth and uses a rocket launcher. He and the other two are all voiced by Doug Parker.
HAXX: Cybernetic wrist-mounted blade-shooters. His tail ends in a spinning drill.
SPITTOR: Team scientist. Carries a tank full of various liquids that are released from nozzles on his hands, tail and mouth.
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Re: El Swordo

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Jabroniville wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 11:21 am Image

Man this show has some atrocious character designs.

EL SWORDO
Role:
Heroic Ally
TMNT Character Most Ripped Off: None
Gene-Slammed From: Marlin
PL 8 (109)
STRENGTH
6 STAMINA 6 AGILITY 5
FIGHTING 8 DEXTERITY 0
INTELLIGENCE 0 AWARENESS 0 PRESENCE 3

Skills:
Acrobatics 6 (+11)
Athletics 8 (+11)
Deception 2 (+5)
Expertise (Circus Performer) 6 (+9)
Intimidation 3 (+6)
Perception 4 (+4)
Persuasion 4 (+7)
Vehicles 3 (+3)

Advantages:
Improved Critical (Bill), Improved Initiative, Move-By Action, Startle

Powers:
"Animal Senses" Senses 3 (Extended & Acute Scent, Low-Light Vision) [3]
"Sword-Like Bill" Strength-Damage +2 (Extras: Penetrating 6) [8]

"The Writers Aren't Scientists, Okay?"
Burrowing 10 (60 mph) (10) -- [11]
  • AE: Swimming 6 (30 mph) (6)
Offense:
Unarmed +8 (+6 Damage, DC 21)
Bill +8 (+8 Damage, DC 23)
Initiative +5

Defenses:
Dodge +7 (DC 17), Parry +8 (DC 18), Toughness +6, Fortitude +8, Will +5

Complications:
Prejudice (Freaks)- The Street Sharks, their allies, and their enemies are all considered "freaks" by the outside world. They are hunted by the police, and must operate in secrecy.

Total: Abilities: 56 / Skills: 36--18 / Advantages: 4 / Powers: 22 / Defenses: 9 (109)

-"El Swordo" is a circus performer who was Gene-Slammed with his pet marlin, Spike, becoming another ally to the Street Sharks. Like other characters, he never received a toy in the long run.
Aside from his terrible look the weirdest thing about this is that he had a pet marlin.
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Re: Jab’s Builds (Moby Lick! Dr. Paradigm! Slobster! Killamari!)

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And this completes the Street Sharks builds! I wasn't sure about how this one would do, especially as it's short bios and largely same-y characters (almost every dude's the same size!), but it's fun to look at one of the more prominent wannabes of the TMNT franchise. And now to my next set!

I'll post a couple of unrelated Marvel builds first (mostly because I posted the Sharks faster than I thought I would and I want to keep to a schedule), but after that... tonight I begin the Hellfire Club builds!
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Victorius

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VICTORIUS (Victor Conrad)
Created By:
Mike Friedrich & Dan Adkins
First Appearance: Astonishing Tales #18 (June 1973)
Role: Forgotten Villain
Group Affiliations: A.I.M., The Cult of Entropy
PL 8 (115)
STRENGTH
4 STAMINA 5 AGILITY 5
FIGHTING 8 DEXTERITY 3
INTELLIGENCE 5 AWARENESS 1 PRESENCE 3

Skills:
Acrobatics 3 (+8)
Athletics 6 (+10)
Close Combat (Unarmed) 2 (+10)
Deception 6 (+8)
Expertise (Science) 7 (+12)
Insight 3 (+4)
Intimidation 2 (+5)
Perception 4 (+5)
Persuasion 3 (+6)
Technology 5 (+10)
Vehicles 1 (+4)

Advantages:
Diehard, Inventor, Ranged Attack 3

Powers:
"The Super-Soldier Serum- Absolute Peak Human"
“Heavy-Hitter” Strength-Damage +1 [1]
Speed 3 (16 mph) [3]
Leaping 1 (15 feet) [1]
Immunity 2 (Poison, Disease) (Flaws: Limited to Half-Effect) [1]
Regeneration 2 [2]

Offense:
Unarmed +10 (+5 Damage, DC 20)
Initiative +5

Defenses:
Dodge +10 (DC 20), Parry +10 (DC 20), Toughness +5, Fortitude +8, Will +4

Complications:
Motivation (Power)- The only thing Victorius can think to do with his Cap-level stats is to try and take over various criminal organizations.

Total: Abilities: 68 / Skills: 42--21 / Advantages: 5 / Powers: 8 / Defenses: 13 (115)

-Victorius debuted in Astonishing Tales (then a Ka-Zar book) as an A.I.M. scientist who, after decades of trying, successfuly duplicated the Super-Soldier Serum (AGAIN with someone copying that! And this was *1973*!! Comics has been going back to that for decades!). He of course drank it himself and wrecked his notes so nobody could ever be as awesome as he was, then took over A.I.M. following the death of M.O.D.O.K.! Now finally getting the respect he deserves, he was nonetheless deposed when the villain returned and popped up with Parnival Plunder & Gemini (of the Zodiac Cartel) as allies. He faced down S.H.I.E.L.D. agent Bobbi Morse (pre-Mockingbird and then Ka-Zar's girlfriend), but she & Ka-Zar fended him off and he was thought dead after falling into a moat. Naturally, there was no body, so...

-Five years later, writer Ralph Macchio uses him as a one-off villain in Marvel Two-In-One. It turns out that he was despondent and listless after his defeat, but encountered the teachings of the Cult of Entropy. Finding their worldview appropriate, he sought out the cult and became its new leader. Discovering that Project: Pegasus (the science organization at the heard of many MTIO stories) held the Cosmic Cube, he easily infiltrated it and took the Cube, using it to form "Jude the Entropic Man" around the skeletal corpse of the Cult's long-dead founder. He & Jude were confronted by Captain America & the Thing, and Victorius was unable to resist the allure of fighting the man he'd spent years trying to replicate- he & Cap fought with so much ferocity that it drew the attention of the Giant-Size Man-Thing, who was lured in to touching the Cube. Victorius tried for the Cube himself, and in a massive explosion of their energies and those of Jude's, Victorius & Jude were killed, transformed into crystalline statues. Remind me never to put my hands on a Giant-Sized Man-Thing.

-Victorius is an interesting look at what happens when a guy has Cap-Level Stats, but none of the major capabilities in using them. He’s just a big, strong, fast guy who was smart enough to recreate the Serum, but never make another set (and, you know, SELL IT and make billions). Also, he ain’t so good at spelling.
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Re: The Dino Vengers

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THE DINO VENGERS
Role:
Heroic Allies, Spotlight-Stealing Squad

-The Dino Vengers are a very curious addition to the Street Sharks show- a quartet of alien dinosaur-men arrive on Earth and pretty much run away with the series for its final eight episodes, as various supporting characters get the bump to feature the DinoVengers fighting their enemies, the Raptors, who wanted to heat up Earth to rule over it more easily. The show is even renamed Dino Vengers Featuring The Street Sharks! And when Street Sharks finally ends, these guys get their very own show- Extreme Dinosaurs! Except now the lore is different- the Dinosaurs were mutated by an alien bad guy who wanted them as tools of war. They resisted him, so he recruited the Raptors instead. The leader of the villains (Badrap) fires a weapon that results in the extinction of all the dinosaurs, but they and the heroes survive in suspended animation until the present day. Both shows use the exact same characters, but some personalities are different- the new version has the Raptors acting much more comedically.

Extreme Dinosaurs soon spun off from the show in 1997, right as Street Sharks died out, and lasted an astonishing FIFTY-TWO episodes!

The Cast:
T-BONE: Tyrannosaurus and team leader- he is more focused on the mission at hand than the others. Can do a Ground Pound attack called the "Seismic Stomp", often with the others.
SPIKE: Triceratops with one broken horn. The resident martial arts expert and chef.
STEGZ: Stegosaurus technical genius. Can curl his body into a "destructive saw blade".
BULLZEYE: Pteranodon wise-cracker with an ear-splitting sonic shriek. Lazy and prone to impulse-buying.
HARD ROCK: Ankylosaurus added to the show later- hails from an alternate reality inhabited by humanoid dinosaurs. Joins the EDs after helping them out. Pacifistic.
... Seriously?

Those are the frackin' Dinosaurs for Hire! Poor Tom Mason.
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Jude the Entropic Man

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JUDE THE ENTROPIC MAN (Yagzan)
Created By:
Steve Gerber & Mike Ploog
First Appearance: Giant-Size Man-Thing #1 (Aug. 1974- as Yagzan), Marvel Two-In-One #42 (Aug. 1978- Jude)
Role: Forgotten Villain, Cult Leader
Group Affiliations: The Cult of Entropy

-This odd fellow debuted as a cult leader in Giant-Size Man-Thing, preaching that all things were in a constant state of decay, and that he should accelerate that process. He found the Golden Brain- a surviving piece of the Glob (which had died while battling the Hulk), using its power to create a minion out of clay. This was destroyed by the Man-Thing, and the remaining consciousness of the Glob killed Yagzan for treating his body in this way.

-Four years later, Ralph Macchio used Yagzan's corpse in a story where the scientist Victorius found Yagzan's cult and agreed with his teachings. Victorius reanimated Yagzan's bones as "Jude the Entropic Man", giving him the power to disintegrate others with his touch. Victorius got into a passionate fight with Captain America, and Jude realized that his partner could use a little of that "entropy" himself- Jude used his powers to beat Cap & the Thing, but Victorius, all "let's destroy everything!" was naturally terrified to die, and tried to grab the Cosmic Cube- the Man-Thing, lured there by the fight, was touching it, and his powers and those of Jude were combined to destroy both villains, leaving them as crystalline statues.

-Jude thus disappeared for decades, suddenly reappearing in Nick Spencer's Secret Avengers in 2013. He was now a part of A.I.M.'s organization as the Minister of Health, but literally did nothing but appear in backgrounds and say a couple of things, almost like he was a warm body that Spencer could use.

-Yagzan was a cult leader, so he had some degree of persuasive ability, and he was also a scholar so was quite smart. Jude was effectively an entirely different character- one that was partially immune to touch, but could entrance others and then slowly decay them into dust with his touch.
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The Hellfire Club

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THE HELLFIRE CLUB:
-The Hellfire Club was created by the famed Claremont & Byrne duo to rival the X-Men in the prelude to their Dark Phoenix Saga. Both fans of the 1960s series The Avengers, Byrne & Claremont had both seen and enjoyed an episode about the real-life Hellfire Club (in which Emma Peel and others wore barely-acceptable-for-TV lingerie as "costuming", per club rules... this is probably why they both remembered it well), and wanted to basically homage/rip-off the show with their own. They based the various members of the Marvel Hellfire Club off of actors the two had admired, threw some un-used powers on them, and so they had their new "Villain Gang". Back in the day, teams of villains weren't all that common, and didn't usually appear all at once. Usually, villain groups would be gathered from enemies the heroes had fought over time (The Sinister Six & Masters of Evil). The X-Men set off a MAJOR trend with stuff like these guys and The Marauders.

The initial roster, all named after Chess Pieces (a naming scheme I am SO JEALOUS OF, as you could make an entire team of 16 guys with just the names, but now it would just seem like a rip-off): The Black King- Sebastian Shaw (named for Robert Shaw), who has the game-breaking "Think your way out of this one" power of Absorbing Attacks, redirecting them back at his aggressors. The White Queen- Emma Frost (named after Emma Peel), who is a telepath rivalling Professor Xavier & Phoenix. The White Bishop- Donald Pierce (Donald Sutherland, hence sharing M*A*S*H* character "Hawkeye" Pierce's last name- Sutherland was "Movie Hawkeye")- a human cyborg. The Black Bishop- Harry Leland (Orson Welles), a big fat guy who controls density in himself and others. Probationary member Jason Wyngarde (Peter Wyngarde), the former "Mastermind" of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, disguised as a handsome dude. Wyngarde had hypnotized the powerful Jean Grey in her Phoenix guise, transforming her into his Black Queen in order to get in the good graces of his fellows.

It was an AWESOME storyline. Jean, then the super-powerful Phoenix, was mind-controlled into turning on the X-Men, and they were all captured. Wolverine was hyper-densified by Leland and chucked through the floors, then left for dead. The rest of the team were handily captured and trussed-up. The end of the first part had Wolverine declaring "You took your best shot... now it's MY TURN!"- the subsequent issue featured him tearing a swath through some hapless Hellfire goons (one of the first times in the Bronze Age a superhero had been so merciless- these guys were SHREDDED), then possibly killing Harry Leland during their rematch. Cyclops also showed why he's got the "best showings" as a team leader in comics- he fakes his death at Mastermind's hands, shocking Jean Grey into reverting back to form. Cyke then uses the resulting few seconds of confusion to spring the entire team, busting forth and taking back the day- even Shaw is impressed with how quickly Cyclops pulled it off.

The story was a huge hit- Shaw has gone on to be the central villain of a movie, and Marvel's gotten TONS of use out of Emma Frost- everyone but Leland repeatedly showed up. The ass-kicking by Wolverine resulted in him going from the least-popular member of the team into one of Marvel's top-level characters within the year, which cannot be underestimated. Nowadays it reads like a standard-issue "Bad-Ass Rematch" moment, but back in the 1970s, this was some state-of-the-art stuff watching a hero maim the villain's henchmen.

Recurring 1980s Rivals:

Despite suffering a major loss (Mastermind was mind-wiped by a furious Phoenix upon being controlled- she offered him "True Omnipotence" and he went mad from the result; Leland was presumed dead at Wolverine's hands), the Club turned into recurring nemeses. Selene, a New Mutants foe, was turned into the new Black Queen, though she, Frost & Shaw took turns one-upping and betraying each other. Leland returned, but died a hero after fighting Nimrod. Pierce was kicked out for being a racist anti-mutant. Eventually, Magneto (then Headmaster of Xavier's School) himself joined the Club to unite the groups of adversaries against the common threat (humans who hated mutants).

Sadly, by the 1990s, the Club's days were numbered. Claremont's billion-odd running storylines left them in the lurch (even with Tessa, Shaw's secretary, being revealed as "FAR more than she seems" by a Karma mind-scan- Claremont didn't have a chance to elaborate during his run), and Selene mostly kinda disappeared. Then the New Generation of writers came in, and that was it- for some reason, almost the entire 1990s were spent destroying old X-Men foes, and replacing them with new guys. New artists' "Sketchpad Characters" took precedence (often with huge new teams of villains), and Magneto & Apocalypse were soon constant presences, and whole swaths of the old guard were killed off. Shaw himself was murdered by his newly-discovered son Shinobi, who formed a new Hellfire Club of sorts with The Upstarts. Donald Pierce and the Reavers were taken out by Trevor Fitzroy's new Sentinels. Emma Frost was similarly-done-in, but she was merely knocked into a coma for years (lasting from the early-90s until Generation-X's debut during The Phalanx Imperative).

I mainly chalk this up to the pro wrestling-style sentimentality of giving the new characters a "Push" by wiping out the old guard- Shaw, Pierce, Frost and the Reavers were basically sacrificed at the altar of The Upstarts in order to give them some credibility and make them look better.

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Shinobi Shaw's short-lived group.

-The Club was pretty much undone, and never recovered. The most we got afterwards were the eventual returns of all the villains, but few of them hung around with each other. Various other books made short-lived attempts at rebooting the Club, but in nearly every case, it was a bunch of weak "Replacement Characters" the next writer immediately forgot about. For example, a British faction showed up in Excalibur, but never mattered again. Shaw of course came back, but never really got to achieve any sort of "Dominant Villain" status- he was actually beaten up during Dark Reign. Emma Frost of course went on to be a recovering villainess with the Generation-X kids, and later turned British under Grant Morrison, and now she's a major X-Man (until recently turning heel again). Selene was being the main villain of Blackest Ni--- I mean, Necrosha, where she used tons of old resurrected X-characters to try to dominate the world, and we also saw Donald Pierce again. So the entire original crew stopped hanging out together, which defeated the purpose.

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Later Hellfire Club Stories:

-Later stories featured Roberto da Costa inheriting his father's tenuous position and eventually leading the Club towards a more positive purpose, a "Hellfire Cult" pops up in San Francisco led by the "Red Queen", and a new Hellfire Club pops up in Wolverine and the X-Men, with young, rich psychopath Kade Kilgore taking over to oppose Logan's school. The Club's never really attained their old dominance, but I guess they were never THAT big in the first place- more of a speedbump that got elaborated upon more later. They were just a great concept, though- a group of powerful mutants who are actually manipulative, influential people in the world of business, and control things from behind the scenes. It gave them a Lex Luthor/David Xanatos-like ability to lose, but WIN- since they were still rich and powerful and all.

And really, what better villain are you gonna find than "Smug, Hedonistic Rich Asshole"?
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Hellfire Club Roster

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Important Members:
The Original Inner Circle:
Paris Seville, Edward Buckman & Sebastian Shaw
* Shaw stages a coup that kills the others, who are basically non-characters.

The First Inner Circle:
* The ones we meet in The Uncanny X-Men for the first time.
Sebastian Shaw (Black King)
Emma Frost (White Queen)
Donald Pierce (White Bishop)
Harry Leland (Black Bishop)
Jason Wyngarde/Mastermind (Prospective Member)
The Phoenix/Jean Grey (Prospective Black Queen)
Tessa (Shaw's Personal Aide)

Later Members:
Selene (Black Queen)
Friedrich Von Roehm (Black Rook)
Emmanuel da Costa- Sunspot's father (White Rook)
Storm & Magneto (Co-White Kings)

Shinobi Shaw's Upstart Inner Circle:
* This group was an utter failure, and is only ever shown losing at everything- Shaw fails in taking over the London branch of the club. None of the characters ever appear again.
Shinobi Shaw (Black King)
Benedict Kine & Benazir Kaur (White King & Queen) (basically non-characters who do nothing)
Reeva Payge (Black Queen)
Candra (Associate)
Cordelia Frost (Probationary Member)

The London Branch:
* Shown in Excalibur as if they've always totally been a thing. Uses Black and Red honorifics instead of Black and White.
Emma Steed (Black Queen)
Margali Szardos (Red Queen)
Quentin Templeton & Alan Wilson, Conrad Strathdee (Black & Red Kings, Red Bishop) *Non-Characters
Brian Braddock (Black Bishop)
Jane Hampshire/Scribe (Red Rook)

Shaw's Second Inner Circle:
* Sebastian Shaw's Second Circle, formed when he returned from his seeming demise.
Sebastian Shaw & Selene (Black King & Queen)
Trevor Fitzroy (White Rook)
Madelyne Pryor (Black Rook) * Mind-Controlled by Selene
Donald Pierce, Tessa, Ella & Holocaust (Associates)

Selene's Inner Circle:
* The only free member, Seleen allied with Blackheart to create a new club, using Hellstrom & da Costa as unwilling aides.
Selene, Blackheart (Black King & Queen), Daimon Hellstrom (White King), Roberto da Costa (Black Rook)

Shaw's Third Inner Circle:
* Another attempt. With Shaw badly-beaten by the end, Roberto took over, which was Tessa's plan all along (she quickly became "Sage" of the X-Men).
Sebastian Shaw (Lord Imperial), Roberto da Costa (Black King), Selene (Black Queen), Sat-Yr-9/Courtney Ross (White Queen), Viper, Tessa & Red Lotus (Associates)

Cassandra Nova's Inner Circle:
* Seeminly made up of old threats, it was actually a group created entirely from Emma Frost's mind under Nova's control.
Cassandra Nova
Sebastian Shaw
Negasonic Teenage Warhead
Emma Frost/Perfection (her younger, more evil self)

Shaw's Fourth Inner Circle:
* Yup, again. Mostly non-characters this time around.
Sebastian Shaw, Turner, Mr. Castlemere, Peter Scholl (Leonine) & Mercedes
Miss Sinister (may as well build her)

Kade Kilgore's Inner Circle:
* A vicious young man takes over the Hellfire Club, and forms a pro-human club with the insane wealthy elite kids, who of course go on a murderous rampage. This was part of Jason Aaron's crazy, weird, fun Wolverine & The X-Men run; one of those books that didn't take itself too seriously, and embraced the craziness inherent to comics. Most of them have little character beyond "Crazy, Selfish Rich Brat", which made them highly-unlikeable.
Kade Kilgore
The other kids (Manuel Enduque, Wilhelmina Kensington, Kevin Krask, Szandor Shaw, Kenneth Krask, Wolfgang Von Roehm)
Dr. Maximilian Frankenstein (a descendent of the original)
Sabretooth
Ezekiel Stane
Kid Blackheart

The New Massachusetts Academy:
* Kilgore's Evil School, which had great potential for hilarity. Eventually beaten and destroyed by the X-Men & the Jean Grey School For Higher Learning. Lesson Plans included things like "Stuffing the Heroes' Girlfriends into Refrigerators". Most of the students were kidnapped from Logan's school.
Sabretooth- Headmaster.
Dog Logan- Physical Education.
Dr. Xanto Starblood- Extreme Zoologist/Xenobiology.
Husk- Had gone crazy.
Lord Deathstrike- Lady D's brother. Recruiter.
Master Pandemonium- Hell Literature Teacher.
Madame Mondo- Public Relations. A Spineless One from the Mojoverse.
Sauron- Science Teacher.
The Philistine
Silver Samurai II- Teaches Jobbing. Okay, not really.
The Toad- Actually beats the crap out of Sauron and brings Husk back to the X-Men!
Wendigo- Danger Room Instructor.

Various Important Members:
* Membership is inherited from one's parents, meaning that many members of rich families are members.
Howard & Tony Stark, James Braddock and his children (Jamie Jr., Brian & Elisabeth), Candy Southern, Dwayne Taylor/Night Thrasher, Norman Osborn, Vance Astrovik (Agent of Shinobi Shaw; Undercover), Rachel Summers (invited by Emma Frost), Warren Worthington III
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Re: The Dino Vengers

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Sidney369 wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:48 am ... Seriously?

Those are the frackin' Dinosaurs for Hire! Poor Tom Mason.
Hm, yeah, I guess that's the same roster of dinos. Though to be fair, those ARE the established "Big Four" you usually see (minus a Sauropod, mainly) and the colors are different. Each has their own superpower, too. Though I only own one Dinosaur For Hire book, I did manage to create builds for the video game :).
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Re: Jab’s Builds (Dr. Paradigm! Killamari! Victorius! The Hellfire Club!)

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So, here’s my moment of pop culture shame. I always figured the Extreme Dinosaurs were a ripoff of the 80s dinosaur craze, especially Dinosaucers. “Instead of having them transform from fighting dinosaurs to beastial dinosaurs, why not just make them humanoid and EXTREME?”

Also, how, I’ll have more to go on about it later, but every Hellfire appearance showing Emma Frost is essentially Exhibit (insert symbol here) as to why the X-Men might be okay having her around, but should never give her any kind of leadership role. Granted, I haven’t read every appearance of hers, but has she ever shown ANY remorse for all the people she had a direct hand in killing during her time as the White Queen, or was her “redemption arc” just the death of the Hellions?
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Re: Jab’s Builds (Dr. Paradigm! Killamari! Victorius! The Hellfire Club!)

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Skavenger wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:52 am So, here’s my moment of pop culture shame. I always figured the Extreme Dinosaurs were a ripoff of the 80s dinosaur craze, especially Dinosaucers. “Instead of having them transform from fighting dinosaurs to beastial dinosaurs, why not just make them humanoid and EXTREME?”

Also, how, I’ll have more to go on about it later, but every Hellfire appearance showing Emma Frost is essentially Exhibit (insert symbol here) as to why the X-Men might be okay having her around, but should never give her any kind of leadership role. Granted, I haven’t read every appearance of hers, but has she ever shown ANY remorse for all the people she had a direct hand in killing during her time as the White Queen, or was her “redemption arc” just the death of the Hellions?
I'm really not sure- I didn't read Generation-X very much, and mostly saw "Emma as Leader" a bit after the fact. They main thing about her was the mental trauma at seeing and feeling her own students die- this set her straight and made her decide to be a good guy, but I don't know if they ever really dealt with the bad stuff she did. It wasn't until Joss Whedon wrote his Astonishing X-Men that Kitty Pryde finally tore a strip off her over the whole "kidnapping" thing, and even then it was kind of treated like Kitty was the only one who really thought Emma was going to go full evil again.
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Re: Jab’s Builds (Dr. Paradigm! Killamari! Victorius! The Hellfire Club!)

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Apparently there were a number of "libertine groups" called Hellfire Club in the UK and Ireland during the 18th century.
According to most sources, the originator of this fad was the Duke of Wharton, who founded the first Hellfire Club in London in 1719. The original intent was satirical, an attempt to satire the morals and religion of the time. This included officially naming the Devil itself as president, allowing women (both married and unmarried) to join and so on. The club lasted only a couple of years, but the idea had a great impact and tons of copycats appeared all over the British Isles
These other clubs were... less savory. In particular, the Irish ones pushed the bounduaries of what was socially acceptable way too much, often using the club as a cover to indulge in duels to the death or to cover their crimes.
The most famous one, which actually inspired the modern pop-culture versions of the Hellfire Club was founded by one Sir Francis Dashwood (allegedly a member of the original club) in 1746, although the group got the name "Hellfire Club" only much later. Dashwood was a notorious prankster and libertine, whose entire philosophy was summed up by the phrase "Do what thou wilt", later used by Aleister Crowley.
Although all the club records were destroyed in 1774, some second hand sources cited many important characters of the time among the members (from the Prince of Wales to Benjamin Franklin).

Interestingly enough, in 1781 Dashwood's nephew created a new group to honor the legacy of his uncle (who died the same year) called: The Phoenix Society...
Let that sink in for a minute.
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Skavenger wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:52 am So, here’s my moment of pop culture shame. I always figured the Extreme Dinosaurs were a ripoff of the 80s dinosaur craze, especially Dinosaucers. “Instead of having them transform from fighting dinosaurs to beastial dinosaurs, why not just make them humanoid and EXTREME?”

Also, how, I’ll have more to go on about it later, but every Hellfire appearance showing Emma Frost is essentially Exhibit (insert symbol here) as to why the X-Men might be okay having her around, but should never give her any kind of leadership role. Granted, I haven’t read every appearance of hers, but has she ever shown ANY remorse for all the people she had a direct hand in killing during her time as the White Queen, or was her “redemption arc” just the death of the Hellions?
Emma was portrayed as morally ambigous during Claremont's tenure on New Mutants. The relationship between the New Mutants and the Hellions (and Emma by extension) was more of a school rivalry, rather than a full-fledged war. Emma dwindled between the uber-manipulative and the actually caring, often emplying questionable methods to help her students and the New Mutants. For example, she was willing to mind-wiped them to remove traumas, rather than helping them cope with it, but she did her best to keep them out of the machinations of the Hellfire Club.
The death of the Hellions was the start of her "redemption arc", which continued in Generation-X. The results were a mixed bag. The Emma that appeared on Generation-X was much less callous than before, showing some empathy and even regretting some of her decisions... except that her entire personality change was reverted in the final issues of the series in preparation of moving her to Grant Morrison's X-Men run. After that we all know what happened: Emma returned as the Queen Bitch of the mutantverse, kept pushing Jean's buttons, sleeped with Cyclops, etc.
This characterization is the one we had been stuck for the best part of two decades now.
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Jabroniville wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 7:52 pm And now to my next set!

I'll post a couple of unrelated Marvel builds first (mostly because I posted the Sharks faster than I thought I would and I want to keep to a schedule), but after that... tonight I begin the Hellfire Club builds!
Yay! Looking forward to these builds.
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I think there may have been some other members of the Hellfire Club when they were more known as the Inner Circle. I know there was a Lourdes Chantel who died. Not sure who else was part of them at that point. They may have been killed by Sentinels?

Are you planning on a profile for Lourdes and the others?

Selene had a follower she called a "pet", Von Roehm. I think he turned into a wolf or dog or some such.
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