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The Calculator

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THE CALCULATOR (Noah Kuttler)
Created By:
Bob Rozakis & Mike Grell
First Appearance: Detective Comics #463 (Sept. 1976)
Role: Jobber Villain Turned Master Organizer
Group Affiliations: The Secret Society of Super-Villains
PL 5 (99)
STRENGTH
2 STAMINA 2 AGILITY 2
FIGHTING 6 DEXTERITY 5
INTELLIGENCE 6 AWARENESS 4 PRESENCE 2

Skills:
Athletics 2 (+4)
Expertise (Criminal) 8 (+14)
Insight 8 (+12)
Investigation 8 (+12)
Perception 4 (+8)
Stealth 2 (+4)
Technology 8 (+14)

Advantages:
Benefit 2 (Wealth), Inventor, Ranged Attack 3, Well-Informed

Offense:
Unarmed +6 (+2 Damage, DC 17)
Initiative +2

Defenses:
Dodge +8 (DC 18), Parry +8 (DC 18), Toughness +2, Fortitude +4, Will +8

Complications:
Motivation (Greed)
Enemy (The Teen Titans)- The Calculator holds the Titans responsible for the death of his son Marvin and crippling of his daughter Wendy, since they were Titans at the time.

Total: Abilities: 58 / Skills: 40--20 / Advantages: 7 / Powers: 0 / Defenses: 14 (99)

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THE CALCULATOR (Noah Kuttler)- As Jobber Villain
Created By:
Bob Rozakis & Mike Grell
First Appearance: Detective Comics #463 (Sept. 1976)
Role: Jobber Villain Turned Master Organizer
Group Affiliations: The Secret Society of Super-Villains
PL 8 (115), PL 10 (115) Against Previous Foes
STRENGTH
2 STAMINA 2 AGILITY 2
FIGHTING 6 DEXTERITY 5
INTELLIGENCE 6 AWARENESS 2 PRESENCE 0

Skills:
Athletics 2 (+4)
Expertise (Criminal) 2 (+8)
Insight 8 (+12)
Investigation 8 (+12)
Perception 4 (+8)
Stealth 2 (+4)
Technology 6 (+12)

Advantages:
Inventor, Ranged Attack 3, Well-Informed

Powers:
"Calculator Suit" (Flaws: Removable) [32]
Protection 2 (2)
"Inoculation Against Previous Foes" Force Field 8 (Flaws: Source- Previous Fights Against Targets) (4)

"Hard Light Constructs" Create 8 (Extras: Movable) (24) -- (25)
  • AE: "Boxing Gloves & Stuff" Blast 6 (12)
"Predictive Helmet"
Enhanced Defenses 4 (4)
Senses 4 (Precognition) (4)
-- (40 points)

Offense:
Unarmed +6 (+2 Damage, DC 17)
Boxing Gloves +8 (+8 Ranged Damage, DC 23)
Initiative +2

Defenses:
Dodge +8 (DC 18), Parry +8 (DC 18), Toughness +2 (+4 Suit, +12 Force Field), Fortitude +4, Will +4

Complications:
Motivation (Greed)

Total: Abilities: 50 / Skills: 32--16 / Advantages: 5 / Powers: 32 / Defenses: 12 (115)

-The Calculator is one of those goofy Jobber Villains with a silly gimmick (a guy dressed like a giant calculator- with buttons on his chest and everything) but later got renovated into a much bigger deal. And they managed to do it without getting stupid with it- they accepted that he used to be "a moron", but he put his intelligence to good use. His gimmick was original pretty timely- pocket calculators had just recently been introduced in 1976, and so a villain shows up with this damn numerical keypad on his chest and an LED display on his headpiece. He used it to make "hard light" constructs appear, sort of like a bargain basement Green Lantern Ring. In this incarnation, he was defeated by a variety of heroes- Blue Beetle, the Atom, Green Arrow, Black Canary, Elongated Man, Hawkman, Batman and Air Wave- a real Journeyman Villain, but all in his debut! He had escaped each time, and eventually revealed that a button on his suit "inoculated him" against a hero's abilities, rendering him immune next time! A literal Force Field would prevent the hero from fighting him, necessitating a new hero to beat him in each battle. Or the heroes could turn Calculator's own gear against him.

-After disappearing for a good while, the Calculator reappeared in 2004's Identity Crisis, throwing a wrinkle into the heroes' plans. So it turns out that he gave up standard thievery and has instead focused his considerable intelligence towards becoming the supervillainous equivalent of Oracle- a source of information for criminals. He would charge $1,000 per question, assisting in logistics, allies, enemies, etc. This was only a minor bit of that story (meant to be yet another complication and potential killer of Sue Dibny), but it led to a complete revamping, as he appeared as one of Alexander Luthor's chief allies in his "Society" of super-villains. Suffering from obsessive-compulsive disorder, he becomes far too fixated on finding Oracle's secret identity, leading to a mental breakdown. When he recovers, he nearly makes Oracle's ID, but is foiled by her allies. He takes over the Society with Luthor dies, but it's taken away by Libra- an angry Calculator grovels before him publicly but soon gives the super-heroes vital information to stopping Libra and his Apokoliptan allies.

-Further entrenching him in the world, it's discovered that he is the father of Marvin & Wendy Harris when Marvin is killed and Wendy crippled while allied with the Teen Titans. He swears vengeance, and later gets technopathic powers from Kilg%re's programming, but Kid Devil sacrifices him to stop a revenge play on the Titans. He just sorta ends up another Titans foe at this point, other writers tiring of him, and he ultimately hasn't shown up in the "New 52" or later eras, as far as I can tell. Too bad- the idea of a "Villainous Oracle" was a good one, but they pretty immediately made him a generic mastermind and vengeance-driven villain.

-The Calculator starts off as a goofy PL 8 douche with a minor Blast and a limited Force Field (that boosts him to PL 10), but the later version is more savvy. He also gained Technopathy once but it was pretty quick- he could access the internet through his body and stuff.
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Silver Age Batwoman

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"There's only one Batman! That's been said many times and has always been true, for no other man has ever rivaled Batman as a champion of the law, nor matched his superb acrobatic skill, his scientific keenness, his mastery of disguise and detective skill! But now, in one suspenseful surprise after another, Batman finds he has a great rival in the mysterious and glamorous girl...The Batwoman!"
-A blurb from her debut.


BATWOMAN (Katherine "Kathy" Kane)
Created By:
Bob Kane, Sheldon Moldoff & Edmond Hamilton
First Appearance: Detective Comics #233 (July 1956)
Role: The Beard (to Batman), Street-Level Brawler
Group Affiliations: The Batman Family
PL 8 (139)
STRENGTH
2 STAMINA 3 AGILITY 5
FIGHTING 10 DEXTERITY 6
INTELLIGENCE 3 AWARENESS 3 PRESENCE 3

Skills:
Acrobatics 8 (+13)
Athletics 9 (+11)
Close Combat (Unarmed) 2 (+12)
Deception 5 (+8)
Expertise (Streetwise) 4 (+7)
Insight 3 (+6)
Investigation 5 (+8)
Perception 5 (+8)
Persuasion 2 (+5)
Ranged Combat (Batarangs) 2 (+12)
Stealth 5 (+10)
Technology 2 (+5)
Vehicles 2 (+8)

Advantages:
Equipment 13, Fast Grab, Grab Finesse, Improved Critical (Unarmed), Improved Defense, Improved Initiative, Move-By Action, Power Attack, Ranged Attack 4, Tracking

Powers:
"Martial Artist" Strength-Damage +1 [1]

Equipment:
"Bat-cycle" Motorcycle (Medium, Strenght 1, Speed 6- 120 mph, Defense 10, Toughness 8, Remote Control (11)

"Utility Belt"
Camera, CommLink, Audio Recorder, Handcuffs, Binoculars, Mini-Tracer, GPS Tracker, Night Vision Goggles, Flashlight, Gas Mask, Multi-Tool, Rebreather, Cutting Torch, Communication Link- Colonel Kane (14)
"Grapple Gun" Movement 1 (Swinging) (2)
"Bat-Uniform" Immunity 5 (Ballistics Damage) (Flaws: Limited to Half-Effect) (2.5)
"Choking Gas" Affliction 6 (Fort; Dazed & Vulnerable/Defenseless & Stunned/Incapacitated) (Extras: Area- 30ft. Cloud +2, Ranged, Extra Condition) (Diminished Range -1) (29) -- (32)
  • AE: "Batarangs" Blast 3 (Feats: Homing, Ricochet) (Extras: Multiattack) (Diminished Range -1) (10)
  • AE: "Smoke Pellets" Concealment (Visuals) 2 (Extras: Attack, Area- 30ft. Cloud +2) (10)
-- (62 points)

Offense:
Unarmed +12 (+3 Damage, DC 18)
Batarangs +12 (+3 Ranged Damage, DC 18)
Initiative +9

Defenses:
Dodge +13 (DC 23), Parry +12 (DC 22), Toughness +3, Fortitude +5, Will +7

Complications:
Motivation (Justice)
Relationship (Batman)- The two have an on-going flirtation.

Total: Abilities: 70 / Skills: 54--27 / Advantages: 25 / Powers: 1 / Defenses: 16 (139)

Batwoman the Beard:
-Kathy "Batwoman" Kane debuted in 1956 after Dr. Fredrick Wertham accused Batman & Robin of promoting a homosexual relationship to young boys (to be fair, it is REALLY REALLY EASY to read that into those old comics. THEY SLEEP IN THE SAME BED)- she was basically Batman's girlfriend, while her neice Bette Kane was "Bat-Girl", who had a teen lust for Robin. Some origins add in that this was an attempt at creating a "Batman Family" to mimic the "Superman Family", though there was no long-term Super-Girlfriend for Clark.

-This Batwoman was a wealthy Gotham heiress and former circus performer, and became a crimefighter to both do good, and to attract Batman. Five years after her introduction, Kathy's niece Betty took up the role of "Bat-Girl", becoming Batwoman's sidekick. Batwoman frequently flirted with Batman, and Bat-Girl with Robin, but Batman remained a bit aloof and uncomfortable.

-Batwoman was... cringey. Wearing a big yellow suit, she acted more like an ordinary mom than a superhero, and wore a "Utility Purse" with gear disguised as feminine stuff like makeup, hair nets and charm bracelets. Amazingly, she lasted EIGHT YEARS, being removed from the books in 1964 by Julius Schwartz, who didn't want any non-essential characters around (this also axed Bat-Girl, Bat-Mite & the Bat-Hound). There's some talk that Batwoman was popular, and fans requested her for ages, but Julius seemed pretty adamant. By the time I became a comic book ready, she was a footnote to history, and kind of an industry joke. And never mind that Batgirl debuted shortly thereafter, becoming more popular than anyone she'd replaced very quickly owing to the Batman TV series. Batgirl also "corrected" many of Kathy Kane's flaws, such as being a martial artist with a doctorate and a real Utility Belt, and not always needing to be saved by Batman.

-Despite this, Batwoman made a guest appearance in Batman Family, a book that made use of the various Bat-characters of the time- she "guest heroined" and helped out Batgirl against Killer Moth & The Cavalier. However, very shortly thereafter, in 1979's Detective Comics #485, she was killed off by the League of Assassins. Editor Dennis O'Neil stated "We already had a Batgirl; we didn't need Batwoman"), and an Earth-Two version was said to have retired- coming out of it only briefly to help out the Golden Age Robin & the Earth-One Batgirl in a 1982 story. The book featured her as a middle-aged woman, still carrying the torch for the now-dead Commissioner Bruce Wayne. Post-Crisis, Batwoman just flat-out never existed at all- Kathy Kane was just some girl who was a spy. Grant Morrison made this version canon in 2011, making her an ex of Bruce's.

Batwoman's Stats:
-The Silver Age Batwoman is effectively a standard-issue PL 8 crimefighter.
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What is that first bit of artwork from? Is that the Earth-2 Batwoman and the Earth-1 Batman or something? 'Cause I don't remember Kathy being older than Bruce.
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Re: Jab’s Builds (Ivy! Harley Quinn! Electrocutioner! Calculator!)

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Man, I take a weekend off, and I miss a lot.

Okay, time to catch up.
Jabroniville wrote: Fri Oct 29, 2021 10:45 pm Image
I spoke on the Discord a bit about the difference between continuity ("a path of logic that allows stories to make sense") and Continuity ("Whether or not Badgerman met The Living Sphere first in 1965's Green Pill Funnies or 1973's Full Bowl Comics") and how one is beneficial to the industry and the other hobbles it at the starting gate.

But few characters exemplify the "if something suddenly doesn't matter, then none of it matters" in comics more than Harley Quinn. If each character Batman faces portrays some reflection of himself, Harley is the Obsession, just as Bats is obsessed with justice, Harley is obsessed with a man who's physically and emotionally incapable of loving her back. It's more than an obsession to her, actually, it's an addiction. And of course, since comics don't do anything halfway (it isn't "most of the truth, an acceptable level of justice, and a certain political party's opinion of the American Way, after all), it isn't that the Joker just isn't interested in Harley in a "eh, I prefer brunettes" way, it's that he can't even see her as something to be desired. You may as well put Victoria's Secret lingerie onto a pile of old tires and light them on fire, except Joker might somehow find the latter to be funny. This became her core defining feature, it makes her a truly tragic, sympathetic character, while also allowing Joker to have something he hadn't had since Gaggy floated around for a while: his own Robin.

Honestly, the fact it took DC so long to give him one when the Adam West series pretty much gave every villain his own "sexy female sidekick" blows my mind.

But if you go back and watch that brilliant episode she first appears in (Joker's Favor), you see her entire story summed up through the existence of the main character, Charlie Collins. A character belittled, terrorized, and convinced to help Joker commit his crimes, and winds up being a disposable prop for the Joker's bigger plan. It's tragic, but that's also what Harley is to Mistah J in the long term, a disposable aid, just there to open a door.

Now this is where I go and piss off a whole bunch of people: I honestly don't get why anybody romanticizes Harley Quinn and Joker. I've seen cosplaying couples dress up as them, I've seen fan art of them, and it blows my mind because this is NOT A HEALTHY RELATIONSHIP TO ADMIRE. Sure, we've all had that person we've had a major crush on, and we've been unable to see any flaw with them, but to take it to the extreme that you swoon for someone who physically and emotionally abuses you and only shows you attention when you're needed to "open a door" for them means you need to seek serious help.

So, DC did the only reasonable thing when they had this character skyrocket in popularity, combined with fanboys loving seeing "hot women in skintight outfits," they made her a protagonist, and THAT didn't work because she was still solely in Joker's orbit, and HE was still only circling Batman's orbit. The only possible step was for her to actually break herself off from the Joker, and with that being her sole defining trait up to that point (well, that and Ivy), she just...flapped around the DC universe for a while like a paper bag in the wind.

DC is so desperate to keep her big, they tried to hammer her into as many roles as possible, from ersatz Joker replacement who murders hundreds of children (her solo Villains Month title) to wacky anti-hero (her own title, which came out ONE MONTH after said Villain Month special). And suddenly we, the fans, are supposed to just accept that "oh, that book we put out that was supposed to define the character doesn't count, because THIS is the book that defines the character." It's the Continuity problem: if you keep saying that this next event "will change everything forever" and then throw it out a few years later saying "oh, it didn't matter," why should I accept this interpretation of Harley Quinn when it might get chucked out down the road as "not being true to the character any more?"
Arcae wrote: Sat Oct 30, 2021 7:28 am I firmly believe Bruce has some sort of villainess fetish. I mean, it's one thing to have a romance with a criminal with Selina, it's another to have two such romance with Talia in the mix, not to mention his occasional flirtarions with Ivy or more rarely Harley. I mean, you can't really blame him when you look at them, but still.
Eh, Batman has had his relationships with villainesses (simple reason: nerds love bad girls, just look at the 90s), but it's all just another mirror version of the fact that pretty much every relationship with Bruce Wayne or Batman is a forbidden romance. Normal people can't be with someone who's secretly running around punching people made of mud, superheroes can't handle how gritty Gotham is, and villainesses can never redeem themselves enough to meet Batman's justice code. Bruce has had plenty more "girlfriends" who were nice girls than villainous ones, but the bad ones just tend to stand out more because they provide a more interesting conflict to the story. It isn't just "can they be in love," it's "can they be in love, and her father runs an international league of terrorists holding the Earth hostage with a heat ray!"
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SILVER ST. CLOUD
Created By:
Steve Englehart & Walter Simonson
First Appearance: Detective Comics #470
Role: Temporary Love Interest
Group Affiliations: None

-One of Bruce Wayne's MANY love interests who vanished over the years, Silver St. Cloud holds a distinction for pretty quickly figuring out his secret identity on her own. She was from the upper class like Bruce, but ultimately felt she could not live with the constant fear of losing him- she left Gotham as a result. She returned engaged to a U.S. Senator, but left him for Bruce after a quarrel involving the Scarecrow made her realize her feelings. Batman pulled a "Rick Blaine" in trying to convince Silver to go back to her fiancée after he lost an arm and a leg trying to save her from the Joker. However, she was furious at being "loaned out" because he "needed" her. In Kevin Smith's Batman: The Widening Gyre, the writer re-trod his old ground of "The old love interest shows up, and is murdered", as she is killed by Onomatopoeia, who has revealed his villainous identity after pretending to be the heroic Baphomet.
I love Silver St. Cloud. She's unique among Bruce Wayne's multiple girlfriends in that initially he didn't break up with her, she broke up with him because of his being Batman. She realized how important it was to him to dress up and fight crime that way, and had enough sense of self to realize it wasn't fair to either of them to drag it on longer, so she left. It's a sense of agency you don't often get from the usual "brief girlfriend" character unless the hero does something to severely disappoint them or inadvertently hurt them. She's smart, capable, independent, gorgeous, and has the unfortunate qualifier of being involved in the Absolute Worst Batman Story Of All Time. One so bad, I'm pretty sure DC just isn't going to finish it because nobody wants it to be part of continuity anyway.
Jabroniville wrote: Sun Oct 31, 2021 6:30 pm THE ELECTROCUTIONER II (Real Name Unknown)
Created By:
Marv Wolfman & Jim Aparo
First Appearance: Detective Comics #626 (Feb. 1991)
Role: Jobber Villain
Group Affiliations: None

-Marv Wolfman later created a second Electrocutioner for some reason, but he only got one use before disappearing.
This guy doesn't get a write-up, yet is one of the few characters who can unequivocally state that he killed Batman. Not "almost got im" or "he was just pretending" or something else. Batman was D-E-A-D and Robin had to force him to jump-start Bruce's heart again.

I...think I'm caught up for now?
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Re: Jab’s Builds (Ivy! Harley Quinn! Electrocutioner! Calculator!)

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Jack of Spades wrote: Mon Nov 01, 2021 8:40 pm What is that first bit of artwork from? Is that the Earth-2 Batwoman and the Earth-1 Batman or something? 'Cause I don't remember Kathy being older than Bruce.
Looks like an Elseworlds or something - I just liked the art, lol.
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Modern Batwoman

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BATWOMAN (Katherine "Kate" Kane)
Created By:
Bob Kane, Sheldon Moldoff & Edmond Hamilton (original), Geoff Johns, Grant Morrison, Greg Rucka, Mark Waid & Ken Lashley (new)
First Appearance: Detective Comics #233 (July 1956- original), 52 #7 (June 2006- new)
Role: The Beard (to Batman), Street-Level Brawler, Angry Lesbian
Group Affiliations: Batman Incorporated
PL 9 (167)
STRENGTH
2 STAMINA 4 AGILITY 5
FIGHTING 10 DEXTERITY 6
INTELLIGENCE 3 AWARENESS 3 PRESENCE 2

Skills:
Acrobatics 8 (+13)
Athletics 9 (+11)
Close Combat (Unarmed) 4 (+14)
Deception 7 (+9)
Expertise (Streetwise) 8 (+11)
Expertise (Science) 4 (+7)
Expertise (Marine) 4 (+7)
Insight 3 (+6)
Intimidation 6 (+8)
Investigation 6 (+9)
Perception 5 (+8)
Persuasion 1 (+4)
Ranged Combat (Batarangs) 3 (+13)
Stealth 7 (+12)
Technology 2 (+5)
Treatment 4 (+7)
Vehicles 1 (+7)

Advantages:
All-Out Attack, Daze (Intimidation), Diehard, Equipment 13, Fast Grab, Grab Finesse, Great Endurance, Improved Aim, Improved Critical (Unarmed) 2, Improved Defense, Improved Initiative, Improved Smash, Last Stand (Ignore All Damage For 1 Round with HP Spent), Move-By Action, Power Attack, Ranged Attack 4, Seize Initiative, Startle, Takedown, Tracking

Powers:
"Martial Artist" Strength-Damage +1 [1]

Equipment:
"Bat-cycle" Motorcycle (Medium, Strenght 1, Speed 6- 120 mph, Defense 10, Toughness 8, Remote Control (11)

"Utility Belt"
Camera, CommLink, Audio Recorder, Handcuffs, Binoculars, Mini-Tracer, GPS Tracker, Night Vision Goggles, Flashlight, Gas Mask, Multi-Tool, Rebreather, Cutting Torch, Communication Link- Colonel Kane (14)
"Grapple Gun" Movement 1 (Swinging) (2)
"Bat-Uniform" Immunity 5 (Ballistics Damage) (Flaws: Limited to Half-Effect) (2.5)
"Choking Gas" Affliction 6 (Fort; Dazed & Vulnerable/Defenseless & Stunned/Incapacitated) (Extras: Area- 30ft. Cloud +2, Ranged, Extra Condition) (Diminished Range -1) (29) -- (32)
  • AE: "Batarangs" Blast 3 (Feats: Homing, Ricochet) (Extras: Multiattack) (Diminished Range -1) (10)
  • AE: "Smoke Pellets" Concealment (Visuals) 2 (Extras: Attack, Area- 30ft. Cloud +2) (10)
-- (62 points)

Offense:
Unarmed +14 (+3 Damage, DC 18)
Batarangs +13 (+3 Ranged Damage, DC 18)
Initiative +9

Defenses:
Dodge +13 (DC 23), Parry +13 (DC 23), Toughness +4 (+5 Bat-Armor), Fortitude +6, Will +8

Complications:
Motivation (Integrity & Justice)- Kate refuses to lie about her sexuality (even when it gets her kicked out of the Marines), and was inspired to become a superhero after watching Batman do it. She has a strict code of ethics and discipline, forged from her military career.
Relationship (Maggie Sawyer)- The Gotham PD Detective and Kate are lovers, and were to be married. But DC Editorial are dinks.
Relationship (Father)- Kate has a strong relationship with her widower father (he's a proud retired Marine).
Relationship (Renee Montoya)- The two dated for a number of months.
Enemy (Elizabeth Kane- Sister)- Kate's twin sister, long thought-dead, has turned up alive and crazy.

Total: Abilities: 70 / Skills: 80--40 / Advantages: 36 / Powers: 1 / Defenses: 20 (167)

Batwoman- Beard to Gay Icon:
-It's one of the great pieces of irony in comics that the woman invented to make Batman look less gay ended up becoming comics' most high-profile homosexual character. So Batwoman had debuted as a love interest to Batman, but was exiled from the Bat-Books when Julius Schwartz took over. She only showed up a couple more times, saying she was retired, and then the Crisis hit a decade later and she was removed from continuity ENTIRELY. Only her sidekick remained, with Bat-Girl turned into "Flamebird". Batwoman was now just a trivia question.

-Fifty years after her debut, the character returned as Kate Kane, a "lipstick lesbian" (as described by her creators- though her eventual appearance gave no clue as to that) army brat who kicked ass after being booted from the Marine Corps for "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" (the now-repealed rule that you could be gay in the military, so long as nobody FOUND OUT- if you were, you were gone. I have a friend who spent time in the U.S. Army, and says he's seen people get the crap kicked out of them because someone thought they MIGHT be gay, so this was often for their own protection). She got a costume that was created by Paul Dini for a returned Barbara Gordon (DC nixed that because they wanted her to be one of the few disabled characters in comics), and was hooked up with Gotham Central side character, police lieutenant Maggie Sawyer, giving this vigilante a more personal stake in the Gotham PD.

Batwoman's Solo Book:
-I have a few trades of her solo book, and they're very, VERY well-drawn. I mean, J.H. Williams' art was AMAZING, completely-original stuff. The stories? Meh- it was okay. Not great. A lot of dour, creepy, weird stuff, emblematic of DC's whole "Grimdark" setting, especially in the Gotham-verse. Weird stuff involving the Church of Crime, which I always thought was REALLY idiotic and uninteresting. Kate was interesting, though, and further proof to me that I don't have to be attracted to a female character to like them (the whole "pale as a freaking corpse while dressing like a rockabilly punker" thing is TOTALLY not my thing). I kind of liked the whole "She was a Marine Corps trainee who got kicked out" thing (though god help me all that "oorah" stuff is REALLY annoying- seems like Marines really do that a lot. There's that great Youtube clip of Marines watching Let It Go and freaking out when Elsa lets her hair down- you hear them scream "OORAAAAHHHH!! OORAAAAHHHHH!!!" over and over again), and the hard edge to the character. Her backstory consisted of her becoming a wild, directionless partier without the military, finally putting herself back in order after beating up a mugger and meeting Batman.

-There's stuff here about violent serial killers, Bette returns as Flamebird and is a pretty incompetent, easily-captured sidekick (I remember her getting nearly maimed once), and stuff with Kate's dad. I kinda liked his character- this old-school retired marine, he's shocked to learn she was booted for homosexual conduct, and when he asks why she didn't fight the charges, she said "because it would be a lie" (and lying was big with her marine family, and the Military Academy's "Honor Code"). And he just kinda sits back a bit and accepts it, saying "then you did the right thing". He ends up being a resolute defender of Kate, being a guy "Back at the base" and such.

-However, DC gotta DC, so of course they f*cked it all up. When they planned to have a lesbian wedding between Kate & Maggie (a headline grabber to be sure- look at Archie & Marvel doing the same thing with THEIR gay characters), the creators were basically barred from using it by the DC editors, who explicitly told them that happy personal relationships were not allowed amongst the Bat-Family. Infuriated that their dream run had been ruined, both writer & artist quit the book, then publically-trashed DC Editorial, ensuring that ALL the fans knew absolutely why this was happening. Fans and creators took the creators' side, leaving DC looking like a bunch of idiots. The book was cancelled in 2014.

-Naturally, the character had a life after that, particularly in the Batwoman TV series, which notably had to CHANGE LEADS because the original actress bailed for some reason. It's one of those "the ratings are low, but we're earning DIVERSITY POINTS, dammit!" shows that you see a lot of these days, as writers are finally told that "Diversity is In" so they're finally allowed to write all the stories about gays, minorities, and trans people all they want (and they always wanted to; it's only "okay" now).

Batwoman's Stats:
-Batwoman is an elite fighter, despite being one of the least-experienced members of the Bat-Family at superheroics. She has ludicrous natural toughness (having once pulled a knife out of HER OWN HEART) and was a natural at boot camp in the army, but she's obviously just a natural prodigy, as she's easily able to hold up against superpowered opposition. She's near-bulletproof thanks to her costume and has a ton of neat gadgets like most Bats, but is relatively unpractised against credible, high-end opposition, so I'm making her PL 8.5 offensively (a notch above Barbara, but a full PL below Dick Grayson or Cassandra Cain), and PL 9 defensively thanks to the armor.
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Re: Silver Age Batwoman

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Jabroniville wrote: Mon Nov 01, 2021 6:16 pmGrant Morrison made this version canon in 2011
This is also why Damien came into existence. Grant Morrison got a serious hard-on for the late golden-age/early (pre-Julius Schwartz)silver-age Batman stuff and tried to bring back as much of that drek as he could. Which because Dan Didio worships at the obelisk in the temple of Morrison was quite a lot. Never mind that DC spent nearly half a century trying to get rid of that stuff. Never mind that DC killed off an entire multiverse to get rid of that stuff.
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The Dagger

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THE DAGGER (David Rennington)
Created By:
Gerry Conway & Gene Colan
First Appearance: Batman #343 (1981)
Role: Jobber Villain
Group Affiliations: None
PL 7 (92)
STRENGTH
2 STAMINA 4 AGILITY 3
FIGHTING 10 DEXTERITY 5
INTELLIGENCE 2 AWARENESS 2 PRESENCE 2

Skills:
Athletics 5 (+7)
Expertise (Criminal) 5 (+7)
Expertise (Business) 4 (+6)
Intimidation 5 (+7)
Perception 4 (+6)
Ranged Combat (Knives) 4 (+10)
Stealth 1 (+4)

Advantages:
Equipment 2 (Throwing Knives +3, Knife +1), Improved Critical (Knives), Ranged Attack 3

Offense:
Unarmed +10 (+2 Damage, DC 17)
Knife +10 (+3 Damage, DC 18)
Throwing Knives +10 (+3 Ranged Damage, DC 18)
Initiative +3

Defenses:
Dodge +10 (DC 20), Parry +10 (DC 20), Toughness +4, Fortitude +5, Will +4

Complications:
Motivation (Greed)

Total: Abilities: 60 / Skills: 28--14 / Advantages: 6 / Powers: 0 / Defenses: 12 (92)

-The Dagger was the owner of a blade manufacturing company called Rennington Steel (GROAN...)- when his company fell on hard times, he naturally became a masked criminal, running a protection racket as "The Dagger", but was beaten by Batman, despite having escaped the Batmobile by puncturing its tires. He was later recruited by Ra's al-Ghul in Batman #400 a few years later in a mass-jailbreak- despite teaming up with Deadshot, he was easily beaten by Talia, protecting her beloved.

-The Dagger is pretty well just a jobber, being easily housed by Talia in his second appearance.
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Great White Shark

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GREAT WHITE SHARK (Warren White)
Created By:
Dan Slott & Ryan Sook
First Appearance: Arkham Asylum- Living Hell #1 (July 2003)
Role: Recurring Crazy
Group Affiliations: None
PL 7 (116)
STRENGTH
3 STAMINA 4 AGILITY 3
FIGHTING 10 DEXTERITY 5
INTELLIGENCE 4 AWARENESS 3 PRESENCE 1

Skills:
Athletics 5 (+8)
Deception 11 (+12)
Expertise (Criminal) 7 (+11)
Expertise (Finance) 6 (+10)
Insight 7 (+10)
Intimidation 7 (+8)
Perception 4 (+7)
Persuasion 4 (+5)
Stealth 1 (+4)

Advantages:
Benefit 2 (Wealth), Improved Critical (Teeth), Ranged Attack 3, Startle

Powers:
"Filed-Down Teeth" Strength-Damage +1 [1]

Offense:
Unarmed +10 (+3 Damage, DC 18)
Teeth +10 (+4 Damage, DC 19)
Initiative +3

Defenses:
Dodge +10 (DC 20), Parry +10 (DC 20), Toughness +4, Fortitude +5, Will +7

Complications:
Motivation (Greed)
Reputation (Sick Bastard)- Even the Joker was disgusted that White would fleece people of their life savings.

Total: Abilities: 70 / Skills: 52--26 / Advantages: 4 / Powers: 1 / Defenses: 12 (116)

-The only character from Dan Slott's Arkham Asylum: Living Hell book to really continue on, Warren White was a ruthless financier nicknamed the "Great White Shark", who ends up robbing virtually all of his company's clients of their life savings- a smug White got out of prison by transferring the case to Gotham and successfully pleading insanity so he can still enjoy his freedom. The insanity plea is somewhat common in the American legal system due to misunderstandings of how it works (the assumption is you "get out of jail free", when you're more likely to be in an even LESS free prison for as long as they decide you need to be kept there). Now, in Canada this can be more effective, at least in the case of Vincent Li, who randomly murdered and decapitated a passenger on a Greyhound bus and served only a few years in a facility before he was released because he was schizophrenic and off his meds, but this is a pretty freak situation.

-In any case, White's plan backfires- the judge is disgusted by White's smugness and sends him to Arkham, where he is brutalized by the other inmates, who call him a "fish" (new inmate). Killer Croc slices "gills" into his neck, the Joker calls him the worst person he's ever met (pointing out he killed people, "I didn't steal the kid's college funds"), White's roommate nearly sacrifices him, and when his psychiatrist agrees to have him transferred out, it's revealed that she is really the insane Jane Doe, who had murdered and replaced the woman months ago- White's bribe is reported and Jeremiah Arkham, who runs the prison and is one of the people ruined by White's practices, sticks him there for good. During a prison riot, White is locked in Mr. Freeze's sub-zero cell, and is left deformed- his nose, ears, lips and hair all fall off, as do some of his fingers, and his skin becomes pale white. Driven insane for real, he files his teeth down and becomes just another crazy "Freak" of Batman's Rogues Gallery.

-Impressively, the character's "newness" and look of a Dick Tracy Villain leave him a solid "get" for the rogues, and it turns out that the Great White Shark has become the dominant crimeboss in Gotham during the "One Year Later" storyline. In revenge for Two-Face abandoning him on a coin-flip at Arkham, he frames a now-cured Harvey Dent for the murder of various Bat-Rogues- Orca, KGBeast, Magpie & The Ventriloquist. Driven mad once more, Harvey re-damages his face and becomes Two-Face once again. Great White actually remains in Arkham, directing his crime empire from within his cell. However, there's an invasion by Metropolis gangs Intergang and The 100, and Great White is badly beaten, and later Black Mask just takes over the whole thing again. He, Penguin & Black Mask are a triumvirate of crime bosses called "The Blacks & Whites" in the "New 52", but he's become a minor name again.

-The Great White Shark is a clever criminal and great finance guy, but pretty small-time as far as bad-asses go- just PL 7.
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Re: The Dagger

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Jabroniville wrote: Tue Nov 02, 2021 6:08 am -The Dagger was the owner of a blade manufacturing company called Rennington Steel (GROAN...)-
It's not the joke you're thinking; Remington Steele didn't arrive on TV until October of 1982, months after this character's introduction.
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Gotham Central

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GOTHAM CENTRAL:
-Between 2002 & 2006, DC published a remarkably unique series about the day-to-day affairs of the Gotham "Major Crimes" division- the group assigned to dealing with the "Freaks" (the department term for the super-villains Batman faces). The book has some very clear similarities to Homicide: Life on the Street, a show written by David Simon based off of his time following the Baltimore Police Department (Simon would later write The Wire, a grittier and more in-depth look at the same thing). The cops use the same pattoir (calling a good cop "A real police" when they mean "A good police officer"), and we even see the same board used in both shows- cops' names in black, their cases in red, and finally rewritten in black when the cases are solved. They even use a concept brought up in the original Homicide book, that luck is often more important than even the best detective working a case- though the bombing of the Gotham High School team case was won thanks to quality detective work even starting up the case, a random woman (they'd only spoken to her mother) comes up and reveals a ton more info that solves the Hows and Whys of the case.

The book, as you might imagine of a 2000s-era DC book, is quite grim- we start the series with two detectives stumbling upon Mister Freeze, who slaughters one while the other is forced to watch. Good people die, horrible murders are found, and things get even worse for the characters as time goes on. Artist Michael Lark gives it a very gritty, yet photorealistic art style- I suspect he uses photographs as reference because people look very "real", but he doesn't trace like Greg Land does. It's an utterly fascinating book, though- police procedurals in a superhero world. The characters are very fun, they have the dark humor typical of people in law enforcement, and everyone plays off of each other really well.

"The Bat" himself comes and goes through the series like a ghost- his cameos are frequent but he almost never talks for more than a page- most of the time, he's even silent. He's a bordeline antagonist (this is the time after Gordon has been shot, and is replaced by Commissioner Akins), and you get a real sense of how upsetting he is for the detectives- he often jumps the gun on their cases, solves things without their input, seems to know EVERYTHING that's going on, and more. Some (Renee, sometimes Maggie) see him as a positive force, while others (Driver, Patton, Chandler) hate his guts- Romy Chandler even SHOOTS HIM and Crispus Allen (Renee's partner) goes on about how he's a suspect and a blight. His coldness and distance from the other characters is palpable, and his otherworldly abilities make him look like something beyond human- this is one of the best books in terms of showing just how insanely good he is, because these are otherwise skilled professionals being made to look like fools, and you get annoyed on their behalf when The Bat swoops in and does everything. Allen repeatedly boots a police car, screaming "son of a BITCH!" and when Montoya tries to talk with him, he just blurts out "We're doing this AGAIN, Renee! AGAIN, it's the same thing over and over! Chasing Batman. We're ALWAYS chasing Batman".

There's some fantastic bits throughtout: Crispus Allen gets out of the interrogation room with a corrupt detective and has a conversation with a fellow detective, Crowe, about it... only to realize the detective doesn't come out of the light and then vanishes silently- he runs to the window and sees a familiar shape swoop off, then tells the real Crowe "The Batman's got his impersonation of you down COLD, Crowe". Montoya's being outed is treated as horrifying and life-changing- the mess of conspiracies around her is pretty fascinating, too. I'm almost sad it ends up just being Two-Face doing it. I guess there's more backstory there (he fell in love with her during No Man's Land), but it's not mentioned here- just that he loves her. You can kind of see his obsession with duality and double-lives playing into things, as he's super into the idea of Renee being a secret lesbian, even acting like it doesn't matter and they can still be in love regardless. And Rucka does a great job of making him come off as completely unhinged yet nice on the surface- he's impeccably polite during the "dinner" with Renee, and jovial when describing how he set up everything (when he says he had a PI look into her for secrets, turning up that she's gay, she goes "Boy did YOU get lucky" and he's like "Boy, did I")... but there's this undercurrent of sheer menace, like he's coiled up energy, waiting to explode. And then she turns him down, going "I will NEVER love you, and I will never stop trying to escape" and BOOM- there's Two-Face- "HARVEY ISN'T HERE ANY MORE!".

Ed Brubaker seems noticeably better than Rucka, though- looking carefully at who wrote what, the "Brubaker Only" stories are clear highlights. The whole saga over the Gotham Hawks baseball team being murdered was fascinating, with a drunken, despondent Harvey Bullock unable to deal with never closing it ("I saw those kids. I broke it to their parents. This case OWNS me"), even while Driver & McKenzie solve it due to new information (the Mad Hatter's mind-control card is found in the evidence, and a woman who used to live in a boarding house with him comes forward about her own past, and her mother- a friend of the Hatter's- wanting to punish the boys for seemingly raping her daughter).

The book ended in 2006 after Brubaker left for Marvel, and Rucka closed the story arcs with the murder of Detective Allen by corrupt officer Jim Corrigan (who weirdly shares the same name as The Spectre). This... doesn't have a happy ending.

Notable Stories & Plot Threads:
* Marcus Driver watches as Mister Freeze tears his frozen partner apart to "teach a lesson" about the pointlessness of life, as we're immediately thrown into the "these are normal people in a crazy world of powerful monsters" concept. We see the aftermath of the detective's murder, Driver's attempts to solve the case "Without the Bat" as a matter of pride, and him realizing Freeze intends on mass murder and immediately switches gears and gets the Bat involved. "It's too big". And right away we see how resentful the detectives are of Bat-interference.

* A new "Firebug" is on the scene, and is being investigated while Driver & Romy Chandler are investigating the murder of a babysitter who's still in high school. Driver & Chandler grow closer while Romy's partner, Nate Patton, who has an obvious crush on her, slowly realizes what's going on and is clearly hurt by it.

* Two-Face becomes obsessed with Montoya, outing her as a lesbian and framing her for murder. She goes to Blackgate prison as her partner Crispus Allen investigates. Internal Affairs agent Esperanza makes a go of tearing Renee's life apart and seeing her in jail, convinced she's gone bad.

* The Joker plans a mass murder around Christmas and the GCPD & the Bat are run ragged trying to figure out his game, especially once he deliberately lets himself be taken into custody. Patton dies while the Bat saves a hostage, earning him more enmity from the police.

* Romy in particular is incredibly resentful, which later leads her to SHOOT HIM. He breaks her nose and takes her gun, leading to a rift between her & Driver. A fun bit where Stacey the secretary meets Robin, who returns Romy's gun- the two joke about things ("I think she, um... maybe shot him?" and Robin just laughs- "I miss the old days"). In a great bit, Stacey brings up how the cops were pissed about the bombing situation, and Robin immediately goes "Detective Nate Patton". "You know his name?" "Of course we do"- a sign that, for as aloof as the Bat seems, he desperately cares about people's lives and made a point to remember the name of a man who died while he watched.

* Allen is investigated for a police shooting thanks to evidence disappearing. Montoya teams up with Esperanza (who feels guilty about the previous story) and beats the hell out of officer Jim Corrigan, who is stealing evidence and selling it to collectors on the black market. She gets the evidence back but the case against Corrigan is ruined because of her public beat-down. Corrigan grows more resentful as time goes on, while Allen is disturbed by how violent Montoya's become ("You used to be a GOOD POLICE") and not using her head.

* A good Gotham cop is transformed by Doctor Alchemy's experiments and Allen & Montoya head to Keystone City to interrogate him. He turns out to be a vicious, Lecter-like intellectual who calls Allen an Uncle Tom and Montoya "Detective Dyke", earning himself a beating when he completes the transformation.

* A small section showing the other detectives doing their rounds- kind of a one-off to show there's other detectives (a personal issue David Simon took in Homicide is that TV frequently shows way too few detectives for purposes of limiting the cast size- in real life, major cities have a LOT of them). None are terribly important, but it fleshes out the rest of the background.

* The investigation into the old Gotham Hawks bombing at a high school- exiled detective Harvey Bullock is involved, then interferes with everything and nearly commits suicide. The past of the case is unraveled as well.

* Driver has to break in new detective Jill McKenzie, whose preternatural ability to pick up on clues is revealed to literally be superhuman. Catwoman overhears this and blackmails the detective into helping clear her name of a murder. To McKenzie's surprise, the burglar is legit in keeping the secret to herself.

* A pair of corrupt officers are shown using and abusing their authority through the city. We see the inner workings of the "Corrupt Cops" of Gotham, including a high-end detective in charge of a lot of things, Corrigan and how he works in evidence to protect his fellow cops (for a price), and how they all hate the "eggheads" in Major Crimes. And their willful killing of a teen girl who watched their shakedown earns them death from Poison Ivy.

* Robin himself appears to have fallen to his death during the night, and the police have to invesigate. The Teen Titans are called in (leading to a fabulous sequence where all the men stare slack-jawed at Starfire, leading to a disgusted Romy muttering "MEN", then being corrected "think so? Take a look" at lesbians Montoya & Sawyer staring with the hugest smiles on their faces). Then another "Robin" dies.

* Infinite Crisis happens and shit goes crazy all over Gotham. The GCPD end up dealing with actual supervillains from all over- Allen is cut badly by The Fisherman of all people (the villain is gunned down by fellow officers) and has to take an injured Montoya across the city on foot.

* Allen investigates Corrigan on his own, but the study costs him his life. Renee nearly executes Corrigan herself, but resigns from the force in disgust.
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Gotham City Special Crimes Unit

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GOTHAM CENTRAL SPECIAL CRIMES DETECTIVE
Created By:
Ed Brubaker & Greg Rucka
First Appearance: Gotham Central #1 (2002)
Role: Background Cop To Major Character
Group Affiliations: The Gotham City Police Department
PL 6 (73)
STRENGTH
2 STAMINA 3 AGILITY 3
FIGHTING 4 DEXTERITY 2
INTELLIGENCE 2 AWARENESS 4 PRESENCE 2

Skills:
Deception 2 (+4)
Expertise (Police Officer) 8 (+10)
Insight 5 (+9)
Intimidation 3 (+5)
Investigation 5 (+9)
Perception 3 (+7)
Persuasion 3 (+5)
Stealth 1 (+4)
Vehicles 2 (+4)

Advantages:
Equipment 3 (Police Pistol +5, Car), Ranged Attack 4

Equipment:
"Police Pistol" Blast 5 (10)

Offense:
Unarmed +4 (+2 Damage, DC 17)
Pistol +6 (+5 Ranged Damage, DC 20)
Initiative +3

Defenses:
Dodge +5 (DC 15), Parry +8 (DC 18), Toughness +3, Fortitude +4, Will +6

Complications:
Responsibility (Justice)- The Major Crimes division is made up almost entirely of extremely loyal police officers (all but the newest selected personally by Jim Gordon). None are corrupt.
Rivalry (The Bat)- Batman, a cold, aloof, private vigilante, frequently interferes with police cases, solves crimes without their assistance, and knows everything that's going on in the department. They are often resentful of this, as well as how much they clearly need him.

Total: Abilities: 44 / Skills: 32--16 / Advantages: 7 / Powers: 0 / Defenses: 6 (73)

-The various detectives in the Major Crimes unit are all very capable, clever detectives. But all very human- they're merely above-average fighters and PL 5.5 with their guns- they can kill gangsters and even take out guys like the Black Spider (Allen gets the drop on him when he tries to kill Montoya), but the Freaks of Gotham are terrifying foes. When Allen is disarmed by the Fisherman, he thinks to himself "He's faster. Why are they always faster?", and tells McKenzie "Two-Face gives me nightmares, little rookie".

Major Gotham Central Characters:
MAJOR CRIMES CHARACTERS:

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COMMISSIONER AKINS: Gordon's replacement- seen as a very perturbed man in a difficult situation. He's able to talk to Batman, and is an expert at dealing with the press, but often defaults to the advice of Maggie or others. Somewhat of a minor character, he is neither an obstructionist or OVERLY helpful- he's obviously a more major character in the main Bat-Books. After Gotham Central ends, he is quietly replaced with Gordon and it's never really mentioned what happened to him- he was either corrupt himself or ineffective in controlling corruption in the force.

MAGGIE SAWYER: The Captain and first-shift commander. Frequently angry and annoyed at her detectives and the situations at hand, but always has their backs. She's taken seriously, even when they argue back- she tries to tell Montoya how you only get a chance to "come out" as an open lesbian once, and she's willing to give her detectives the benefit of the doubt, even when freaking out over stuff like Romy shooting Batman and having her service weapon taken.

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CRISPUS ALLEN: Montoya's partner- a fairly aloof older black guy but VERY quick to get annoyed with the stupidity of others- he comes off as both aloof and a know-it-all, but very aggressive and easily-provoked. He nearly throws hands with an officer who pawns off a case he can't solve on Major Crimes, for example. He ends up frustrated with Renee's increasing brutality and tries to restrain her and get her to go back with her girlfriend- watching her tear her own life apart hurts him. He decides to personally investigate Officer Corrigan's corruption when Renee ruins the investigation to spring Allen from shooting a suspect (Corrigan had sold the bullet as a collector's item)- an act which costs him his life.

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MARCUS DRIVER: Probably the most important recurring character next to Montoya & Allen- his partner was the one killed by Mr. Freeze in the first issue. This leads Driver to be embittered and have a very negative relationship with the Bat (once even commandeering the Signal just to tell him "We got him. Without your help"), but ultimately insisted they use his help when he realized Freeze was interested in mass murder. He & Romy work together on the murder of a young girl and slowly form a relationship that gets more open later. In one of the final issues, he confesses to Romy that he didn't so much as HATE the Bat as he resented the notion that the police and the city needed him so much. Overall, Driver is a pretty good detective, but often he's led by his partners making the breakthroughs- he's good at straight-up accusing people of crimes to get them to break or reveal aspects of the case (reading their body language to see how they react to the accusations), and has a cynical edge and blunt nature that makes him pretty fun.

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ROMY CHANDLER: A cute redheaded detective with an angry streak- seen as confident and funny in the early going, but when her partner dies on the Bat's watch, she becomes obsessed with him and increasingly embittered, to the point of drawing and SHOOTING HIM when he's beating down the Penguin for information. Batman is down, but he lashes out in a flurry, breaking Romy's nose and taking her service weapon. Embittered and angry, she has to be talked out of it by Driver, who is empathetic and has gone through this before.

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NATE PATTON: A big, kinda smug guy- Romy's partner, and nurses an obvious crush on her, according to the narration of Stacy the secretary. He grows increasingly aware of Romy dating Driver, and this upsets him greatly. He tries to blow it off and accept it, but is clearly hurting, and almost constantly says stupid things around her, earning him a punch in the arm and a "nice one, butthead" when he offends somebody- like when Romy works with Driver on a case, and he's all "Be careful with Romy- she's my partner, you know" when Driver's own partner was just killed on the same case. And then in the "Joker" arc, he is killed by a bomb, the Bat saving the hostage and not him- it's never quite clear exactly what went down, but he hands her off to Batman right before the explosion hits.

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JOSIE MacDONALD: The "baby" of the detectives, being the first assigned AFTER Gordon retired. She's initially shown as a bit defensive over Allen's open disrespect of her as a rookie, but has good instincts. TOO good, as it turns out- her finding things like random paint on a car that leads to an internal affairs guy (who was being blackmailed into framing Montoya for a crime) turns out to be the result of an actual SUPER-POWER. She has the ability to find things "out of place"- a kind of Psychometry that enables a few major breakthroughs. Catwoman finds out about this and blackmails her into clearing her name from murder, and keeps her word not to reveal it (she respects secrets, it turns out). Josie reveals this to Driver in the end (after fearing he would reject her, as many past partners had figured things out and she'd gotten into trouble). Later, she finds the lost box of evidence that reveals the Mad Hatter's culpability in the Gotham Hawks high school bombing. When Allen is murdered by Corrigan, she holds the murder weapon in her hands, and rejects the notion that it's the wrong one- it's made clear (to the reader) that she can't explain WHY she knows she knew it was the weapon (someone switches out barrels and Corrigan walks)- there's some things that magical awareness just can't fix.

MINOR MAJOR CRIMES DETECTIVES:
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SARGE (Sgt. Jackson Davies: Fun-loving and smart-assed older black guy- background character for the most part, getting only a few bits. Teases others. VERY defensive of Bullock (someone jokes that "Harvey's problem was that he knew too many guys who knew a guy" and Sarge immediately screams "SHUT YOUR MOUTH!"). Wanted a promotion that Cornow got and was upset over it (Cornow was a friend of the mayor, and putting him in let the cops keep their overtime).

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CROWE: Sarge's partner. Always smokes a pipe. Very calm. Tends to argue stoically with Sarge.

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DAGMAR PROCJNOW: Seemingly a fairly middle-aged woman, the only real hint we get of Dag's age is the white streak in her hair- despite having an adult son, she looks mostly like the other women. She's a very minor character, only getting a bit of focus in the "Side Detectives" story- she gets agitated, but stoically, at the financial officer of a company for making light of a million dollars being unaccounted for ("That's not as much money as it seems". "NOT AS MUCH AS IT SEEMS. I make $50,000 a year, jackass"). The side-story to the tale is her not being asked to her son's first concert at the Gotham Symphony. Burke tries to convince her to go, since he'd obviously want her there, but she's all "but he didn't ASK me to come". "God, you're such a mother" he replies, finally badgering her to go. Naturally, she and her son are delighted.

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TOMMY BURKE: Dag's partner. Kind of a ne'er-do-well, shown to be gambling his ass off and flirting with women at the company they're investigating. Ultimately, he seems like a good guy, though.

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VINCENT DEL ARRAZIO: Investigates the same company in the "Side Detectives" arc- shown to have Mafia connections but has left that aspect of his family completely. He keeps this from the other detectives but Montoya points out she's aware of it, "But I never doubted you didn't do the right thing when it came down to it".

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JOELY BARTLETT: The least-important of the four "Side Detectives" characters, but figures out the source of two poisoning deaths (a candy dish left between two desks- one of the women was dating a scientist at the pharmaceutical firm, but dumped him).

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LT. RON PROBSON: An unlikeable older Lieutenant and second-shift commander. He acted bitterly with Sawyer over many things, accusing her of doing things for publicity- it was pretty well known he was ambitious and envied her job. For example, when Sawyer suggested his problem might be related to her sexuality, he just burst out "Oh no- you're not getting me on a DISCRIMINATION bit!". Hard-assed, he was generally disliked and hard to deal with, but he got the job done. He was the arresting officer when the Joker turned himself in, and beat him in the interrogation room to try and get information (under Maggie's direction; he did it so she wouldn't get in trouble, as he was transferring out anyways). Ultimately, however, he was murdered by the Joker when he sprung himself. Maggie shoots him, but he survives.

LT. DAVID CORNOW: Probson's replacement. He seems like he's going to be an important character, but it's quickly glossed over and doesn't appear in the fourth trade at all- he just seems kind of impersonal and disinterested in things. "Cornhole" is disliked by others for this- it's made clear his assignment (which should have gone to Sarge) was a favor to the new mayor so the force could keep their OT. So basically, he was a "politics is a bitch" hire. However, I found him to to seem fair, just stern. When Driver tries to convince him to reopen the Gotham Hawks case ("this would be a real feather in your cap, don't you think?", Cornwell accepts, but adds "And don't PLAY ME, detective. I'd have said yes without the story".

OTHER CHARACTERS:
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STACY: The young secretary who is the only person allowed to operate the Bat-Signal- cleverly, the writers give us a very "comics in the real world" aspect to it- a case was ruined because the Signal was lit, and the suspect's lawyer argued the police sicced the Bat on him. And so, Stacy- not an actual law officer but someone who works at the station- can operate it without this legal quandary. Stacy's shown as nice and well-liked by the other cops, but she's a bit flighty, imagining herself getting romantic with Batman. She writes a letter to a friend giving us a lot of the personal complexities of the Major Crimes Unit, including her take on various people (like how Patton is kind of nice and she's sad that he's hurting over the Romy/Driver stuff). She's the one who convinces Robin to get Romy's gun back, and jokes about with Robin over it.

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JIM CORRIGAN: An officer in the CSI/evidence collection who is at first just rumored to be selling Freak-based gear as "collectibles" online (this is later confirmed to be true), but is eventually revealed to be in way darker shuff. More or less openly corrupt and smug about it, he is badly beaten down by Renee over selling a bullet Allen had fired that he says killed the Black Spider. This leaves him bitter and angry, and he vows revenge- later, when Allen investigates him, Corrigan murders him. Renee nearly kills him in return, but can't go through with the execution when he begs for his life. He walks, but is later murdered by Allen's own son- Allen, now The Spectre, has no choice by to kill his own son for this act of execution.

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ESPERANZA: Every cop's worst nightmare- internal affairs. Comes off as goulish and unfriendly, but is very determined. First chases after Montoya, but feels legitimately guilty when it turns out she's innocent, and sides with her against Corrigan out of it, sacrificing his own investigation to spring her partner.

LT. MATT KENZIE: Narcotics detective on the take with Corrigan, usually selling him drugs. When Corrigan finds out Kenzie's ratting on him to Allen, he and his people torture Kenzie to death.

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NORA FIELDS: City coroner and the wife of Driver's late partner. Seen as very strong and capable of handling things, despite falling apart at the sight of her "melting" husband. She remains close with Driver and later Romy, even after losing part of a hand to the Joker's sniper spree that targetted city officials.

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SIMON LIPPMAN: A reporter for a major Gotham paper, he helps out Montoya & Allen on a case and earns himself some access to other cases. However, he's very old-school, and when he's later asked by Sawyer to give up his sources on who's publishing police crime scene photos in the paper, he's so offended he refuses to answer (even though he doesn't actually know- "She shouldn't have asked for my sources"). This nearly gets him arrested for the "Replacement Robins" murders, but it turns out it was a colleague.
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Re: The Dagger

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Davies wrote: Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:54 pm
Jabroniville wrote: Tue Nov 02, 2021 6:08 am -The Dagger was the owner of a blade manufacturing company called Rennington Steel (GROAN...)-
It's not the joke you're thinking; Remington Steele didn't arrive on TV until October of 1982, months after this character's introduction.
That's an insane coincidence, unless they were basing it off of just hearing about the show!
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Maggie Sawyer

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MAGGIE SAWYER
Created By:
John Byrne
First Appearance: Superman #4 (April 1987)
Role: Cop Ally
Group Affiliations: The Metropolis PD, Gotham City PD
PL 6 (77)
STRENGTH
2 STAMINA 3 AGILITY 3
FIGHTING 4 DEXTERITY 2
INTELLIGENCE 2 AWARENESS 4 PRESENCE 3

Skills:
Deception 2 (+5)
Expertise (Police Officer) 9 (+11)
Insight 5 (+9)
Intimidation 3 (+6)
Investigation 6 (+10)
Perception 3 (+7)
Persuasion 3 (+6)
Stealth 1 (+4)
Vehicles 2 (+4)

Advantages:
Equipment 3 (Police Pistol +5, Car), Ranged Attack 5

Equipment:
"Police Pistol" Blast 5 (10)

Offense:
Unarmed +4 (+2 Damage, DC 17)
Pistol +7 (+5 Ranged Damage, DC 20)
Initiative +3

Defenses:
Dodge +5 (DC 15), Parry +8 (DC 18), Toughness +3, Fortitude +4, Will +6

Complications:
Responsibility (Justice)- The Major Crimes division is made up almost entirely of extremely loyal police officers (all but the newest selected personally by Jim Gordon). None are corrupt.
Rivalry (The Bat)- Batman, a cold, aloof, private vigilante, frequently interferes with police cases, solves crimes without their assistance, and knows everything that's going on in the department. They are often resentful of this, as well as how much they clearly need him.

Total: Abilities: 46 / Skills: 34--17 / Advantages: 8 / Powers: 0 / Defenses: 6 (77)

-Maggie Sawyer has had a lot of longevity for a character who was more or less a "police ally" in Byrne's early Superman arc. She heads the Special Crimes Unit, which is to handle superhuman threats when Superman is unavailable, and is generally a thorn in the hero's side, repeatedly trying to prove her group can be more efficient. Eventually, after he saves her life during a terrorist incident, the hard-assed lady cop warms up to him. She is later revealed to be a mother, but came out of the closet while married- her husband was awarded custody. She stars in a four-issue Metropolis SCU series that earned some accolades, but disappeared from the Supes-verse eventually. She pops up in the mid-2000s having transferred to Gotham City, where she is the stoic, hard-edged Captain of the Major Crimes Division, appearing in Gotham Central as a beleaguered authority figure. She gains a newer push when she becomes the love interest of Kate "Batwoman" Kane in her own solo book. The two get engaged, but DC screws around with them repeatedly, as you can imagine.

-Maggie is an upgraded form of her detectives, but not by TOO much.
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Re: The Dagger

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Jabroniville wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 6:12 am
Davies wrote: Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:54 pm
Jabroniville wrote: Tue Nov 02, 2021 6:08 am -The Dagger was the owner of a blade manufacturing company called Rennington Steel (GROAN...)-
It's not the joke you're thinking; Remington Steele didn't arrive on TV until October of 1982, months after this character's introduction.
That's an insane coincidence, unless they were basing it off of just hearing about the show!
They were both riffing off the actual steel works, Remington Steel.
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