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Re: Jab’s Builds! (Quality Comics! The Crusaders! Young All-Stars!)

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I kinda like the design on Fireball. Would only take a little snazzing up to make it pretty good
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Tsunami

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LOL these pics are only like one decade apart and look at the shift in style and tone.

TSUNAMI (Miya Shimada)
Created By:
Roy Thomas & Rick Hoberg
First Appearance: All-Star Squadron #33 (May 1984)
Role: Villain Gone Good
Group Affiliations: The Young All-Stars
PL 8 (114)
STRENGTH
6 STAMINA 5 AGILITY 3
FIGHTING 7 DEXTERITY 2
INTELLIGENCE 1 AWARENESS 1 PRESENCE 2

Skills:
Deception 6 (+8)
Expertise (Japanese Agent) 3 (+4)
Perception 4 (+5)
Persuasion 2 (+4)
Insight 5 (+6)
Stealth 4 (+7)

Advantages:
Move-By Action, Ranged Attack 4

Powers:
"Tidal Waves" Blast 8 (Extras: Area- 30ft. Burst) (24) -- [27]
  • AE: Move Object 8 (Extras: Perception-Ranged) (Flaws: Limited to Water) (16)
  • AE: Water Blast 8
  • AE: "Current Control" Swimming 6 (Extras: Affects Others, Ranged) (18)
Immunity 3 (Drowning, Cold, Pressure) [3]

Offense:
Unarmed +7 (+6 Damage, DC 21)
Tidal Waves +8 Area (+8 Ranged Damage, DC 23)
Water Blast +6 (+8 Ranged Damage, DC 23)
Initiative +3

Defenses:
Dodge +10 (DC 20), Parry +8 (DC 18), Toughness +5, Fortitude +6, Will +5

Complications:
Relationship (Neptune Perkins)

Total: Abilities: 54 / Skills: 24--12 / Advantages: 5 / Powers: 30 / Defenses: 13 (114)

-Tsunami seems a lot like the second Golden Girl, another Roy Thomas Retcon Heroine. Golden Girl II was a Japanese-American girl who fought for the allies in the 1978 Invaders title, and now Tsunami debuts in the late '80s All-Star Squadron. However, Tsunami's suffering under the racial prejudice of the time leads her to the Imperial Japanese government. However, she becomes disgusted by the dishonorable, brutal tactics of her comrades-in-arms, and changes sides back to America. She joined the Young All-Star, though some, like Sandy the Golden Boy, had issues trusting her. She and Neptune Perkins got married, but they eventually divorced, partly due to the fact that her daughter Debbie (Aquaman ally Deep Blue) was fathered by another man- it was believed to be Aquaman's father Atlan at first, but turned out to be a villain named Rhombus.

-Interestingly, her real name is very close to Japanese wrestling legend, Mima Shimoda. The coincidence is just that, though- Shimoda didn't debut until 1987, three years after Miya's debut. Shockingly, Shimoda, most famous for being a member of legendary heel stable Las Cachorras Orientales (literally: "The Oriental Bitches"), STILL WRESTLES TODAY, and actually still looks good.

-Tsunami is a Water Controller- one of the few notable heroic ones in comics.
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Franklin D. Roosevelt

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FRANKLIN DELANO ROOSEVELT
Created By:
James & Sara Roosevelt
First Appearance: Jan. 30th 1882
Role: Iconic American President
Group Affiliations: The United States of America
PL 0 (50), PL 4 (50) Saves
STRENGTH
-1 STAMINA 0 AGILITY -4
FIGHTING 0 DEXTERITY 0
INTELLIGENCE 4 AWARENESS 4 PRESENCE 4

Skills:
Deception 3 (+7)
Expertise (Politics) 11 (+15)
Expertise (Oratory) 10 (+14)
Expertise (Law) 4 (+8)
Insight 4 (+8)
Persuasion 8 (+12)

Advantages:
Benefit 7 (Wealth 2, President of the United States 5), Contacts, Connected, Ultimate Political Skill, Ultimate Oratory Skill

Offense:
Unarmed +0 (-1 Damage, DC 14)
Initiative -4

Defenses:
Dodge -3 (DC 7), Parry +0 (DC 10), Toughness +0, Fortitude +0, Will +8

Complications:
Motivation (Politics)
Responsibility (President of the United States)
Relationship (Eleanor Roosevelt)- A semi-distant relation of his (fifth-cousins; she never even changed her last name) became his wife, and a powerful public force in her own right.
Relationship (Sara- Mother)- Sara was a possessive, controlling mother, though caring. She never wanted her son to marry Eleanor (she didn't dislike the girl; she just thought FDR was too young at 22).
Disabled (Crippled)- Roosevelt was crippled by polio in 1921, and was left badly-hobbled for years, and eventually lost the use of his legs. His health was poor for the last decade-plus of his life, as well- not helped by chain-smoking.
Secret (Crippled)- FDR keeps the true nature of his condition from the American public.
Secret (Mistresses)- Franklin had more than one mistress over his life (including Eleanor's secretary Lucy, whom he actually considered leaving Eleanor for; his mother advised that it would ruin his political career). Franklin actually passed away while in the company of his mistress, something that didn't overly-enamor poor Eleanor.
Relationship (Winston Churchill & Joseph Stalin)- As the three leaders of the most-powerful Allied nations, the three form a pact. He was very close to Churchill.
Enemy (Hitler, Mussolini & Tojo)- The leaders of the Axis Powers are the ultimate enemy in the world of the 1940s.

Total: Abilities: 14 / Skills: 40--20 / Advantages: 11 / Powers: 0 / Defenses: 5 (50)

-Considered to be one of the "most important legacies" of the JSA by their own wording, and a major character in All-Star Squadron in the 1980s, I just HAD to stat up FDR- especially after watching Ken Burns' documentary series on The Roosevelts. Though not as boisterous and ostentatious as his famous Cousin Teddy, FDR is considered to be an even BETTER President, and one of the greatest of all time- he led the country for most of the 1930s (hard years indeed), and through World War II. His "New Deal", meant to drag America out of the Great Depression with government projects, went on to become a symbol for Liberal politics and government intervention for decades. And his personal manner and way of speaking pretty much redefined the art of making speeches- some of his are among the most-famous ever recorded ("A day which will live in INFAMY" and "The only thing we have to fear is... fear itself").

-FDR also provides a very notable story about human accomplishment and the way things were in America- crippled by polio, his condition was kept secret for decades. His advisors and agents made sure than he was never once photographed in a wheelchair, and ensured that he could always lean on someone if he had to "stand"- they didn't want America to think their President was "too weak for the job". And before you think things are so different now, keep in mind that it's unlikely a wheelchair-bound man would be elected President TODAY, either. It's also an interesting look at freedom of the press- they were more or less FORCED to withhold the truth from the general public in several instances (smashed cameras and the like), though eventually the people "in the know" willingly held it back as well, lest they affect American morale during the War.

-Roosevelt was born to a very wealthy, patrician New York family, with many members in politics- a field he also entered at a young age. He was considered a nice enough, but rather "colorless" young man. He became a Democrat, unlike his Republican fifth-cousin Theodore. He DEFINED "Big Government"- he publically-blamed bankers and financiers for the Depression, and bashed the Capitalistic search for profit at all costs. He was able to convince Americans not to desperately-pull all of their funds out of banks simply by making public speeches- the man had a way with words (this is the "Fear Itself" speech). He advocated America's "isolationist" policy and was avidly anti-imperialist (in sharp contrast to Teddy). Countless relief and recovery programs were created in order to ensure people had paying jobs, repealed Prohibition, and went on to serve for TWELVE YEARS- he was incredibly-popular, at one point winning a 60% majority- almost unheard-of in America. He was wildly-popular amongst minorities (not the Japanese ones- see below), which would basically be a boon to Democrats for decades, though could be controversial at times.

-Finally, War loomed, and Roosevelt became a bit more of a sabre-rattler (isolationists decried him as a "warmonger"), and delivered his second-most-famous speech after the Japanese attack at Pearl Harbor (relations had gone downhill, especially when America cut off Japan's oil supply), at which point anti-war sentiment vanished. A fresh America was a good shot in the arm to a beleaguered Europe, but a huge chunk of the American forces were naturally sent to the Pacific. FDR signed into law the now-infamous relocation of the Japanese-descended people living in America (though George Takei- who was one of those Japanese interned- points out that this was basically politicians LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE, as this was a popular idea), along with some Italians & Germans. Alas, FDR, who'd led the country through the Depression and the War, died a few months into his fourth term from a massive stroke (SOMETHING was gonna get him- he had heart failure, angina and all sorts of other nasty things), leaving his third Vice-President Harry Truman in charge of the country. The war in Europe ended a month after his death, and Truman authorized the nuclear bombing of Japan shortly thereafter.

-Roosevelt's legacy is enormous- he's considered by almost every poll to be either the second or third-greatest President (keep in mind the only competition comes from WASHINGTON AND LINCOLN, who are practically-untouchable), and the sixth most-admired person of the 20th Century by Americans. His New Deal revolutionized Liberalism in the U.S. (Truman, Kennedy & Johnson would be directly-inspired by him), and though he gave credence to isolationism early-on, acting as a "World Leader" during the war basically set America's current course. Though his last election was a narrow one (53% majority), he could probably have just continuously-won them had he lived- he was THAT popular, and that great with speeches. And also he shows up in comics set in the '40s, often needing to be saved by The Atom and stuff :). See, he's one of the only Presidents who was active during the age of super-heroes- writers typically don't show the "current" ones, and with the period between the War and nowadays not really being filled with super-heroes (due to the "Sliding Timeline"), there's really nobody else the heroes CAN interact with.

-Stats-wise, he's not that impressive, but of course he's got points where it counts- his intellect, wisdom and charisma were noted in his time, and he could convince people of just about anything with his Oratory skill.
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Re: Jab’s Builds! (Dyna-Mite! Flying Fox! Iron Munro! Tsunami!)

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Jabroniville wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 9:58 pm Image
Separated at hatching?

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Re: Franklin D. Roosevelt

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Jabroniville wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 9:58 pmSecret (Mistresses)- Franklin had more than one mistress over his life (including Eleanor's secretary Lucy, whom he actually considered leaving Eleanor for; his mother advised that it would ruin his political career). Franklin actually passed away while in the company of his mistress, something that didn't overly-enamor poor Eleanor.
Any more, I can't think of FDR without think of the scene in "Hyde Park on the Hudson" where FDR (played by Bill Murray) gets a handjob from his cousin Daisy.


FDR is overrated.
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Re: Tsunami

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I would think she'd also have Immunity (Aging), because she looks fine for someone around 70
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Re: Tsunami

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Sidney369 wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 12:48 am
Jabroniville wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 7:03 pm Image
I would think she'd also have Immunity (Aging), because she looks fine for someone around 70
She had work done. Seriously, in her early All-Star Squadron appearances she was an a- or b-cup. At 70, she's a d-cup and absolutely no sag.
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Magog

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MAGOG (Lance Corporal David Reid)
Created By:
Mark Waid & Alex Ross
First Appearance: Kingdom Come #1 (May 1996)
Role: Cable Parody, Extreeeeeeme Hero
Group Affiliations: The Justice Society of America, The U.S. Marine Corps
PL 12 (178)
STRENGTH
13 STAMINA 12 AGILITY 3
FIGHTING 10 DEXTERITY 4
INTELLIGENCE 1 AWARENESS 2 PRESENCE 2

Skills:
Deception 4 (+6)
Expertise (History) 4 (+5)
Expertise (Marine) 6 (+8)
Insight 2 (+4)
Intimidation 6 (+8)
Perception 6 (+8)
Persuasion 4 (+6)
Stealth 4 (+7)
Vehicles 4 (+8)

Advantages:
All-Out Attack, Close Attack, Fearless, Improved Aim, Improved Critical (Plasma) 2, Power Attack, Ranged Attack 4, Startle, Takedown

Powers:
"Staff of Magog" (Feats: Restricted 2- Only Magog) (Flaws: Easily Removable) [29]
Plasma Blast 16 (Feats: Split) (Extras: Penetrating 10) (43) -- (45 points)
  • AE: "Plasma Burst" Damage 10 (Extras: Area- 30ft. Burst) (20)
  • AE: "Staff Flight" Flight 6 (120 mph) (Flaws: Distracting) (6)
Protection 2 (Extras: Impervious 9) [11]
"Missing Eye" Senses 1 (Infravision) [1]

Offense:
Unarmed +11 (+13 Damage, DC 28)
Plasma Blast +8 (+16 Ranged Damage, DC 31)
Initiative +3

Defenses:
Dodge +9 (DC 19), Parry +8 (DC 18), Toughness +14 (+5 Impervious), Fortitude +12, Will +6

Complications:
Motivation (Justice)- Magog fought for freedom in the Middle East as an American soldier (in the Marine Corps), and tries to do the same as a superhero.
Responsiblity (Rough Justice)- Magog has a nastier view of justice than most heroes. In particular, as a soldier, he has little reservation with killing an opponent.

Total: Abilities: 94 / Skills: 40--20 / Advantages: 13 / Powers: 41 / Defenses: 10 (178)

-Magog is definitely a weird one. He debuted in Kingdom Come as more or less the Ultimate '90s Hero- as the series was meant to be a huge damning of that particular brand of heroics (this being 1996, it was still quite-current for comics to be EXTREEEEEEEEEME, having taken the easiest bits of Alan Moore & Frank Miller's styles to replicate, dropping any sense of maturity). His appearance deliberately mimicking that of the popular X-Force character Cable, combined with Shatterstar's helmet (Ross confirms this), and that of the Biblical Golden Calf (a statue worshipped by several who rejected Moses' teachings). Though I never really got the name- it's a Biblical reference, sure- but why would someone actually give themselves that name? Surely 90% of people have never heard of the name before, and would just find it bizarre.

-In any case, Magog was a violent, modern-style hero, who believed in slaughtering his foes (he murdered The Joker while he was in police custody, and also blew up a prison). He is seen in the opening of the series, sending a squadron of bad-asses against a frightened Parasite, who tears Captain Atom open, setting off a conflagration that kills The Justice Battalion and one million Americans, endangering the country by affecting important farmland with the radioactive fallout. He's next seen trying to fix what went wrong- tilling the land out of regret and penance for what he's done. After briefly trying to attack a lecturing Superman, he admits that he can't stand all the voices crying out at him, and willingly accepts imprisonment. He is horrified by the subsequent riot and the deaths that occur afterwards, and becomes an agent of change. A very poetic, excellent Character Arc- the Extreme Hero who realizes the negative repurcussions of his course of actions, and tries to make amends.

-So when Alex Ross was teamed with Geoff Johns on his new JSA series, they came up with the idea of linking everything with Kingdom Come. Despite that series being more about The Big Three (none of whom were on the JSA), JSA was more-popular, and Johns was DC's biggest creator, and so we had a pile of KC characters showing up- Black Lightning's daughter, a third Wildcat (who is a werepanther), Red Tornado's granddaughter was designed to resemble KC's Red Tornado, etc. The Superman of that series even ended up in our world, joining the JSA, and was soon joined by "Lance Corporal David Reid", a Marine with a special Plasma Weapon and the Eye of Providence on his arm.

-Embarassingly, I didn't make the connection at first- it helps that not being religious or American (nor up on my Conspiracy Theories), I had no idea what the Eye of Providence even WAS, so I didn't go all "oh, it's Biblical". He seemed a bit generic, though he was linked to the JSA's "Most Important Legacy"- he was related to Franklin Delano Roosevelt, the man who recommended the JSA form. When he is killed on a mission in Africa (seeking the lost Old God, a "Third World" survivor named Gog, who had touched down there), he is resurrected as "Magog". He becomes Gog's instrument on Earth, and recommends a more-extreme reaction to criminal behavior- reflecting his Kingdom Come self. However, he sides with the JSA when he realizes Gog's cruelty, and demands for worship- he cuts Gog's head off and sends it on its merry way.

-Afterwards, Johns leaves the JSA book, and it is split in twain, with Bill Willingham & Matt Sturges writing. Sturges has said that his book- JSA All-Stars, was supposed to feature Power Girl and HAWKMAN leading a team in a "new approach" to heroics (more... serious, I guess. They weren't any more extreme. God, I bet they said "proactive"), but Carter was unavailable, and so we had the odd situation of Magog being stuck on as co-leader, drilling the other kids with harsh training methods.

-This also led to the ludicrous Magog series- a fantastically-bad idea that not only created over-saturation of the fairly-new character, but resulted in the hilariously-low-selling (9,000 a month!) series being cancelled after only a year. Howard Porter having completely forgotten how to draw in the meantime didn't help. A failure like THAT only hurts the brand, and made people hate the character- I remember CBR having a huge anti-Magog backlash around this time (with a tiny handful of people creating a Pro-Magog thread that worshipped the series). Magog is soon kicked out of the All-Stars after being framed for something and causing a HUGE fight with his team, and he is unceremoniously killed in Generation Lost by Maxwell Lord Mind-Controlling him into committing suicide via Staff.

-Magog was incredibly-powerful with his Lance, which was able to do serious damage to powerful heroes like Power Girl & Captain Atom. However, he's below the KC Superman class (Supes basically ignored a Plasma Blast in Kingdom Come). He's a bit light on Skills (despite his military history) and Advantages, but he's PL 12 by virtue of his high power.

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LANCE (Lance Corporal David Reid)
Created By:
Mark Waid & Alex Ross
First Appearance: Kingdom Come #1 (May 1996)
Role: Soldier Boy
Group Affiliations: The Justice Society of America, The U.S. Marine Corps
PL 9 (111)
STRENGTH
3 STAMINA 4 AGILITY 3
FIGHTING 8 DEXTERITY 4
INTELLIGENCE 1 AWARENESS 2 PRESENCE 2

Skills:
Athletics 4 (+7)
Deception 4 (+6)
Expertise (History) 4 (+5)
Expertise (Marine) 6 (+8)
Insight 2 (+4)
Intimidation 6 (+8)
Perception 6 (+8)
Persuasion 4 (+6)
Stealth 4 (+7)
Vehicles 4 (+8)

Advantages:
All-Out Attack, Close Attack, Fearless, Improved Aim, Improved Critical (Plasma), Power Attack, Ranged Attack 4, Startle, Takedown

Powers:
"Hand Cannon" (Feats: Restricted 2- Only Lance) (Flaws: Easily Removable) [12]
Plasma Blast 10 (20 points)

Offense:
Unarmed +8 (+3 Damage, DC 18)
Plasma Blast +8 (+10 Ranged Damage, DC 25)
Initiative +3

Defenses:
Dodge +9 (DC 19), Parry +8 (DC 18), Toughness +4, Fortitude +5, Will +6

Complications:
Motivation (Justice)- Lance fought for freedom in the Middle East as an American soldier (in the Marine Corps), and tries to do the same as a superhero.
Responsiblity (Rough Justice)- Lance has a nastier view of justice than most heroes. In particular, as a soldier, he has little reservation with killing an opponent.

Total: Abilities: 54 / Skills: 44--22 / Advantages: 12 / Powers: 12 / Defenses: 11 (111)

-Lance was a pretty crappy superhero, and it shows. Despite his high Stats and Skills, he's basically a limited Blaster, and having little aside from his own personal toughness going for him. His Plasma Control doesn't even have any Feats or anything attached to it. PL 9 may even be too high, since he's the only superhero I've ever seen actually get killed by just some guy with a rocket launcher.
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Re: Magog

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Jabroniville wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 1:51 am -Magog is definitely a weird one. He debuted in Kingdom Come as more or less the Ultimate '90s Hero- as the series was meant to be a huge damning of that particular brand of heroics (this being 1996, it was still quite-current for comics to be EXTREEEEEEEEEME, having taken the easiest bits of Alan Moore & Frank Miller's styles to replicate, dropping any sense of maturity). His appearance deliberately mimicking that of the popular X-Force character Cable, combined with Shatterstar's helmet (Ross confirms this), and that of the Biblical Golden Calf (a statue worshipped by several who rejected Moses' teachings). Though I never really got the name- it's a Biblical reference, sure- but why would someone actually give themselves that name? Surely 90% of people have never heard of the name before, and would just find it bizarre.
You mean like Masada?
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Jabroniville wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 1:51 am He debuted in Kingdom Come as more or less the Ultimate '90s Hero- as the series was meant to be a huge damning of that particular brand of heroics (this being 1996, it was still quite-current for comics to be EXTREEEEEEEEEME, having taken the easiest bits of Alan Moore & Frank Miller's styles to replicate, dropping any sense of maturity).
Considering the already questionable maturity of Moore and Miller's work, that's not saying much.
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Re: Magog

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Ares wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 1:59 am
Jabroniville wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 1:51 am He debuted in Kingdom Come as more or less the Ultimate '90s Hero- as the series was meant to be a huge damning of that particular brand of heroics (this being 1996, it was still quite-current for comics to be EXTREEEEEEEEEME, having taken the easiest bits of Alan Moore & Frank Miller's styles to replicate, dropping any sense of maturity).
Considering the already questionable maturity of Moore and Miller's work, that's not saying much.
Both men, Moore in particular, at least wrote like they’ve read a BOOK in the past. Now Miller downgraded but you can defend Daredevil and DKR as having artistic merit. Liefeld & Millar they ain’t.
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Re: Magog

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Davies wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 1:57 am
You mean like Masada?
Hard to say- I only learned what that was from the always scholarly Preacher. But I dunno about the uncultured masses who never read Ennis.
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Jabroniville wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 4:57 am
Davies wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 1:57 am
You mean like Masada?
Hard to say- I only learned what that was from the always scholarly Preacher. But I dunno about the uncultured masses who never read Ennis.
Eh, well, I learned about it from a V* novel, so ...

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Jabroniville wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 4:57 am
Davies wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 1:57 am
You mean like Masada?
Hard to say- I only learned what that was from the always scholarly Preacher. But I dunno about the uncultured masses who never read Ennis.
History Channel back in high school. Masada (the event) is actually quite tragic. You couldn't get away with making Masada (the character) today without controversy.
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Re: Jab’s Builds! (Flying Fox! Iron Munro! Tsunami! FDR! Magog!)

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So Magog is one of the last dudes who needs posting in the JSA. I chose to post Black Canary with the JLA members much later, despite originating on the JSA and me already posting Green Arrow, a character linked to her for ages, much earlier. I dunno- it's hard to place these people!

The bit about the "Anti & Pro-Magog Threads" on CBR is funny, because it's one of the things that makes me glad I write down personal memories, because HOLY CRAP I completely forgot about all that. That was clearly in my mind in 2016 or so, probably owing to comics from years before, while I was likely doing 2nd Edition builds.

And next up I take ANOTHER little break between all these as I post the Axis Amerika turds, lol. Once again, it's hard to place all these people- doing them at the end seems like a buzzkill, especially as the characters they fight were posted here.
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