Yes, definitely understand where you're coming from, as he just utterly walks all over the other non-supers in the finale, though Laurie frankly could have just shot him from behind if she had kept her temper (or just pumped another few bullets into Ozymandias while he was prone, out of caution-I LOVE that bit in Scream 3). Basically (and leaving aside the INT-skills and wealth), I see Adrian as someone on Daredevil's level in athletics and combat; DD never caught a bullet with his hands, but does deflect them with his club. Hand to hand, he'd lose to Batman (he's likely faster, but Bruce has fought WAY tougher opponents and won) but give him a good fight, and would go down hard to Captain America, though Cap would be pulling his punches...until he decided to put Ozy down. I could see him being a match for Danny Rand until Danny breaks out the Iron Fist powers, and nearly match Shang-Chi (again, Shang just has too much experience fighting near-equal foes to lose to Adrian). But yeah-an accuracy/defense shifted PL 10 or a PL 9 with all sorts of cap-modifying probably about nails it.Jabroniville wrote: ↑Tue Sep 06, 2022 7:34 pmIt's difficult, but I had to give Adrian a high PL once I'd placed Dan & Rorshach around PL 7 (they DO handily finish off mooks without a scratch, which even in a realistic setting is impressive- Rorschach is able to improvise stuff out of common household items to fend off several SWAT team members, too- sheer persistence and careful tactics, like blocking off a stairwell so they have to attack him one at a time, also helps). The thing was, the fight against Ozymandias isn't even CLOSE- he easily avoids everything they do and wipes the floor with them. And then he catches a friggin' bullet- though most PL 8-10 superheroes can easily avoid bullets (I've seen Gambit full-on deflect them back at Forge by spinning his staff, an obviously impossible feat in real life), you don't see many of them just catch them in mid-air. He just kind of needed super-high defensive stats to justify any of that, and a high enough PL that two PL 7s were easily beaten.greycrusader wrote: ↑Tue Sep 06, 2022 5:10 pm
I actually meant to comment on Ozymandias as well, given how good a job you did on giving a detailed description of the panels where he displays his combat skills. I'm not completely sure I'd put him up there quite as high as you did; as I mentioned before, the big problem with translating the characters into rpg terms is that we we never get to see much of them in action. Dan and Laurie wipe the floor with no-name thugs wielding blades and chains, Rorschach gets brought down by a riot squad (but only after his leg is injured in a fall), so just how good are they in the era of the story? Ozymandias easily avoids their attacks, but Dan is out of condition and way out of practice while Rorschach had been living rough for years. Adrian dominated the Comedian (who had to be PL 8 in some respects, given his 40 + year career), but Blake was semi-drunk and in his early sixties.
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PS: Good lord, the Marvel UK art was damn unattractive!