I think it depends on your source- since everyone's grabbing stuff from different power sources, they end up with varying amounts of power. Not that comic book strength ever makes any kind of sense anyways (why is a RAT so strong?).Ares wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2017 1:13 amI never really had much of a connection to Vermin outside of that one Kraven story, and honestly, they should have just let him be cured and move on. In the world of Marvel Comics, a "rat man" just doesn't really stand out. Though it is interesting how the whole "animal hybrid" thing acts in Marvel.
Like, Spider-Man can lift 10-15 tons regularly due to his spider-powers. The Lizard is stronger than Peter by a noticable degree, and Vermin was around Peter or stronger in their appearances. So logically, Tigra should be as strong or stronger than Spidey, right? And Stegoron should be immensely strong, like Rhino/Thing level, being a frickin dinosaur man.
I don't know, sometimes I feel like there should be some kind of accepted animal pecking order of superstrength or something.
It isn't something that REALLY bugs me or anything, but I did find it "odd", like I said- I kind of associate Spidey's rages with stuff like the moment he nearly ripped Norman Osborn in half after Gwen Stacy was killed. One of those moments where you realize how strong Spidey is, and how dangerous he is when he's not holding back. Though comics tends to be iffy on just how much anger screws up your fighting- sometimes it's "Spidey agitates people into using Power Attack and missing", and sometimes it's "an angry enemy is the ultimate threat, and much more dangerous". Granted, real life is much the same way- anger can screw up trained fighters in professional situations, while other guys can focus it, and in "street fight" situations, angry people are dangerous because of the comparative ferocity and willingness to fight extremely hard. Of course, in "real life", Spider-Man would beat every human-level guy in one hitSin-Eater is kind of interesting in that he seems to showcase a lot of real-world consequences of superhero fights. Jumping out of the way of a gunshot is cool, but in a crowded area those bullets are likely to hit somebody. And they showed what had happened to Carter after the beating Spider-Man gave him. Basically, Peter had beaten the guy so badly that it was like he'd had a stroke, being deaf in one ear, slurred his words, had to walk with a cane, etc. That's what happens when a normal guy pisses off a guy who can bench press a car.
Regarding the fight with Daredevil and Spidey, that didn't really bother me. For one thing, that wasn't really "Aunt May Mode" as some people call it when Peter fights for his loved ones and becomes an unstoppable force of nature. In those cases, he's fighting desperately not to let the tragedy of Uncle Ben repeat itself. It's a primal need to save those he loves and Heaven help you if you get in his way. Against Carter, Peter wasn't trying to save anyone. Betty had been rescued, Sin-Eater had surrendered, and all Peter was really doing was venting his anger at someone. It was anger without real purpose, without cause and barely any direction, it was just Peter lashing out wildly at someone who had taken away someone he cared about.
Daredevil, on the other hand, is someone who has fought evenly with Captain America, Wolverine and Iron Fist, making him legitimately one of the best fighters in Marvel, while also being an acrobat just under Peter's skill level, and having senses that let him telegraph Peter's every move in his angered state. Matt should do decently against Peter during any fight, and in a fight where Peter is fighting sloppy, falling to the same kind of psyche out tactics Peter uses on his foes, I've got no problem with Matt winning.
.And as my stats reflect, both characters were a bit weaker back in the mid-80s anyway. Marvel is, if anything, more likely to consider Spider-Man far above "normal human" guys today than they were back in the olden days.
