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Re: Jab's Builds! (Scar! Bonkers! Pocahontas! A Goofy Movie!)

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Thorpocalypse wrote: Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:37 am Ah, the Goofy Movie. Somehow, in all the kids movies I watched with the Young Thorpocalypses when they were little, I somehow avoided most of this one.

Good lord, when you go away for a couple of weeks, catching up to the Jab thread is a monumental task! So many missed commenting opportunities... :(
Oh by all means, quote and comment. Jab will be squee as you do. Comments are like crack to him. Well, comments are to him what crack is to Snowflame.
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Re: Jab's Builds! (Scar! Bonkers! Pocahontas! A Goofy Movie!)

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Thorpocalypse wrote: Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:37 am Ah, the Goofy Movie. Somehow, in all the kids movies I watched with the Young Thorpocalypses when they were little, I somehow avoided most of this one.

Good lord, when you go away for a couple of weeks, catching up to the Jab thread is a monumental task! So many missed commenting opportunities... :(
Aaaaaaggghhhhhhhh- I knew you were busy with stuff and your game, but... comment! Commennnnnnnnnnt!! I need sweet, sweet comment-based sustenance! Glad back and comment on every movie you missed! I demand it!!!!
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Max

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MAX GOOF
Played By:
Jason Marsden (speaking), Aaron Lohr (singing)
Role: Angry Teen
PL 2 (28)
STRENGTH
0 STAMINA 1 AGILITY 3
FIGHTING 0 DEXTERITY 0
INTELLIGENCE 0 AWARENESS 0 PRESENCE 1

Skills:
Athletics 5 (+5)
Deception 4 (+5)
Expertise (Dancing) 5 (+5)
Expertise (Pop Culture) 4 (+4)
Expertise (X-Games Athlete) 4 (+7)
Perception 2 (+2)
Persuasion 2 (+3)

Advantages:
None

Offense:
Unarmed +0 (+0 Damage, DC 15)
Initiative +3

Defenses:
Dodge +2 (DC 12), Parry +2 (DC 12), Toughness +1, Fortitude +2, Will +2

Complications:
Relationship (Goofy)- Like most teenagers, Max sees his father with an equal mix of disinterest and contempt. Though Goofy tries hard, he's an embarassing doofus, and Max desperately wants to be cool.
Phobia (Becoming Goofy)- The movie opens with Max dreaming of macking Roxanne, only to transform into a monstrous depiction of his own father. The fact that he's prone to mimicing the famous "Goofy Laugh" doesn't help.
Relationship (Roxanne)- Max is obsessed with the ranking cute girl at school, but he thinks she doesn't even know who he is. He's willing to take an insane risk to impress her, like singing and dancing in front of the entire school.
Relationship (P.J., Bobby)- Max's best friend is P.J., a worry-wart wuss who has to be dragged into anything risky. Bobby is more ancillary, but still a good buddy.
Secret (The Powerline Concert)- Max, desperate to impress Roxanne and get her not to date someone else while he's gone, makes up a LUDICROUS story that his dad is pals with Powerline, the Greatest Rock Star In The Universe, and that they're going to JOIN HIM for his final number, live on Pay-Per-View! This idiotic lie is virtually impossible to manage, so Max is consumed by a mix of guilt and dread for when he finally has to own up to the truth.
Motivation (The X-Games)- In An Extremely Goofy Movie, Max wants to win the X-Games. Because that was trendy at the time, you see.

Total: Abilities: 10 / Skills: 26--13 / Advantages: 0 / Powers: 0 / Defenses: 5 (28)

-Max was kind of a generic character in "Goof Troop", doing a bit of the scheming and lying, but generally fitting a "normal kid" character archetype. In "A Goofy Movie", he's morphed into your typical bitter, cynical teen who thinks his dad is an idiot (okay, he's pretty much right, there), obsesses over a girl, and gets picked on by the kids at school (he has his lunch taken, he's threatened by another, and generally everyone disrespects him and laughs at him). So there's a lot that any teenager could identify with here- he's actually one of the few cartoon teens I've ever seen who so masters the "unbearable burden on any social occasion"-ness of teens- most are rebellious in a whiny way (Ariel), or more generally curious/naiive/weird. Max is a straight-up JERK sometimes, and closes off from his dad repeatedly.

-It's funny to think about how much could have been avoided in this film had Max not been an idiot. First off, he could have explained to his dad what happened at school, or that he had a date with a girl (to avoid going on the fishing trip). THEN, he could have basically told Roxanne the truth about the fishing trip, rather than making up a big story to impress her. Though generally, being a teenager, both are semi-believable plot turns, since teens are dicks. Though really, his lie was WAY over the top, even for something he came up with off the top of his head.
-Max is a baseline teenager, though a bit athletic given his abilty to skateboard through Generic Construction Site Background Material (you know, those big cement tubes and stuff), sing and dance, and fly around a gymnasium.

About the Performer: Jason Marsden (unrelated to James) was a Child Actor who played a few minor roles, like General Hospital and Eddie Munster in a Munsters remake, then got a lot of Disney work. He spent the '90s on Fox's Peter Pan and the Pirates as the voice of Peter, JT's friend Rich on Step By Step (a minor rule that soon led to him dating the Dana character, but I don't know that off the top of my head because I never watched that show every week, shut up I didn't). He was also Kovu in The Lion King II: Simba's Pride, and does a lot of video game VA work, too. He's actually really versatile and has had a hell of a career, looking at it, moving between TV and voice acting pretty frequently. And he appears to have never receievd a heroin habit, which puts him above MOST child stars!

-As Marsen couldn't sing, they had to get a more talented guy in Aaron Lohr to handle the handful of songs Max does. A very, very minor actor and singer, he's mostly done bit parts and background things- he's seen in The Mighty Ducks (as one of the Bash Brothers) and Newsies as a minor guy. He currently works as an addiction specialist and recovery counselor when not doing shows, so he's not been overly lucky in his career... except the SON OF A BITCH has married my eternal goddess IDINA MENZEL and is thus my arch-nemesis!! UP YOURS, AARON LOHR!!!
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Re: Jab's Builds! (Scar! Bonkers! Pocahontas! A Goofy Movie!)

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UGH.

Okay, having another computer problem. My power went off earlier today, and the system is F'd up somehow. I managed to turn it on without checking discs, but my F Drive is corrupted and Windows couldn't fix it. That means I can't access my files. I'd managed to get most everything SUPER-important transferred to email, but this will slow me down, since I still need to bring my computer to the shop, to see if they can uncorrupt my files.

I have like 11-12 days worth of posts, but I can stretch those out for a bit, JUST IN CASE (I know data recovery/transferring isn't quick). Hopefully this is salvageable, but most of my builds and photos are backed up elsewhere. All my music... that'd be annoying to replace, but I can manage it. It's all on my iPod now, anyways.
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Re: Jab's Builds! (Mufasa! Hyenas! Scar! Bonkers! Pocahontas!)

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Ares wrote: Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:46 am One thing that unfortunately gets left out by the film is that Goofy is a single dad doing his best to raise his son while working a job, while Pete still has a wife to help him. Pete has basically turned his son into a bundle of psychosis while Max is generally acting out, likely for attention. By all rights, PJ should be the more well adjusted of the two, but his dad's treatment has basically made him publicly fear authority while privately scheming to misbehave. Meanwhile Max is more of a typical teenager whose main issue is that he's stuck inside his own head and not really appreciating what his dad is doing for him, while still having that love for his dad that breaks through the shell of cynicism and teenage self-centeredness.

Pete's methods instill less respect and more fear, while Goofy's methods create a lot of potential for abuse, but has more potential for better things. Pete doesn't care if his son loves him as long as he gets "respect", while Goofy has the potential to lose his sons respect, but also to have a healthy, happy relationship.

And that's really what love and trust is: giving another person the power to hurt you and having faith that they won't.

Ultimately, neither method is perfect, you need something like 85-90% Goofy with a 10-15% dash of Pete to keep kids in line for best results, but ultimately, it's clear who the film sides with parenting wise.
Yeah, watching PJ's crushed expression when Pete taunts him over the "PSYCHE!" in A Goofy Movie really makes it clear who's not to be respected. The movie even cleverly SETS THIS UP in the opening minutes, with Pete lecturing Goofy on proper child-handling... while failing to discipline the same child that Goofy easily dealt with.
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Re: Jab's Builds! (Scar! Bonkers! Pocahontas! A Goofy Movie!)

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Oh, and here we go- GAZE UPON THE '90s AND BE IN AWE!!!!: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsLsxgCUi6E

Stand Out and I2I, back to back. Complete with Mickey Mouse in the audience, Max accidentally murdering someone, and a fat woman in her lingerie! What's not to love?
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Pete

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Goofy: "Maybe Max isn't all the things you think a son should be, but... he LOVES me."
Pete: "Hey- my son RESPECTS me."
-"A Goofy Movie", somehow getting nuance and thoughtfulness out of FRIGGIN' GOOFY AND PETE.


PETE
Played By:
Jim Cummings
Role: Jerkass, Mean Father
PL 2 (12)
STRENGTH
1 STAMINA 1 AGILITY -1
FIGHTING 0 DEXTERITY 0
INTELLIGENCE 0 AWARENESS -1 PRESENCE 0

Skills:
Deception 5 (+5)
Expertise (Used Car Salesman) 4 (+4)
Intimidation 3 (+3)
Persuasion 2 (+2)

Advantages:
Equipment 3 (Uber-Trailer, complete with Bowling Alley, Swimming Pool, Barbecue, Big-Screen TV, Sandbox and more)

Offense:
Unarmed +0 (+1 Damage, DC 16)
Initiative -1

Defenses:
Dodge +0 (DC 10), Parry +0 (DC 10), Toughness +1, Fortitude +1, Will +1

Complications:
Relationship (Peg)- Pete is married to a ludicrously-hot woman all things considered, and he's protective of her, but often victimized by the fact that she's smarter than him.
Relationship (Pistol & P.J.)- Pete dotes heavily on his young hellraiser of a daughter, but bullies and orders around his young son P.J. "Under Your Thumb" is his philosophy- ruling P.J. through fear.

Total: Abilities: 0 / Skills: 14--7 / Advantages: 3 / Powers: 0 / Defenses: 2 (12)

-Pete is one of the longest-standing Disney Villains, being a general prick who harassed Mickey Mouse back in the day, and often switched between being a straight-up villain (like Pistol Pete & Peg-Leg Pete, for whom his female family members in Goof Troop were named), or a general antagonist who becomes victimized by the Disney heroes via his own jackassery. Goof Troop turned him into more of the latter as Goofy's old High School frenemy, where he was a money-grubbing, gruff loser and frequently disrespected the oblivious Goofy, who thought the two were pals. There was the occasional light moment for him, but the show tended to make him rather nasty still. ESPECIALLY because it's one of the most-obvious cases of "Ugly Guy, Hot Wife" around, because Peg was a prime piece of MILF who made it easy to forget she sorta had a dog nose (for the sake of argument, Dog-Noses don't count as Furries. So you can find Peg hot and not be a Furry :)- Minerva Mink from Animaniacs also doesn't count, despite being an obvious Furry, because IT'S MINERVA MINK AND YOU GET A PASS FOR HER!). I wasn't kidding about DeviantArt and pictures of her, by the way.

-One of the great parts of A Goofy Movie was the use of Pete as an example of the order-giving, nasty father who rules over his son, compared to Goofy's more lax nature. It appears that Pete has a point- P.J. isn't rebellious, does chores, and gives him much less grief, whereas Max is openly disrespectful to his father, lazy and a rulebreaker. But when you look at the movie as a whole, you see that P.J. is a wimpy coward who can't do anything without worrying about how his dad will take it ("my dad is gonna NUKE my entire EXISTENCE!"), whereas Max is more free-spirited and open. Also, the look of utter sadness on P.J.'s face when Pete psyches him out of a high five is a picture-perfect example of what being PETE's kid is like. In general, you can see a bit of the good side in both approaches, but it's pretty unquestioned by the end that Goofy is the better father.

-Pete is pretty much a standard Bystander, not very bright or nice. He's a Used Car Salesman as per the show, but the movie depicts him as a photographer in a K-Mart knock-off, and Goofy's boss.

About the Peformer: Jim Cummings's raspy, gravelly voice was used in pretty much everything Disney has done since 1989- he's probably their most prolific actor ever at this point. Primarily he's known for being the current voice of Pooh, Tigger, and others, but also lent his voice to Don Karnage in TaleSpin, Witterquick in Visionaries, and Leatherhaed in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turltes (1980s series), among other shows. Notably, he performed In the Dark Of The Night in Anastasia because Christopher Lloyd couldn't sing, the latter half of Be Prepared when Jeremy Irons buggered his voice, as the voice of Pocahontas's father in HIS song, since his actor wouldn't sing, either. Despite playing numerous lead characters, he's even more prolific as a "background voice guy", as he's versatile enough and easy enough to work with that he can just do the "filler" work as well. Short of Frank Welker and Rob Paulsen, you won't find a more prolific actor in the game.
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P.J.

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"My dad is gonna NUKE my entire EXISTENCE!"

P.J. (Peter Pete Junior)
Played By:
Rob Paulson
Role: Whiny Friend, Fat Best Friend
PL 1 (10)
STRENGTH
1 STAMINA 1 AGILITY 0
FIGHTING 0 DEXTERITY 0
INTELLIGENCE 0 AWARENESS 0 PRESENCE 0

Skills:
Deception 2 (+2)
Expertise (Singing & Dancing) 1 (+1)
Expertise (Extreme Sports) 4 (+4)
Perception 1 (+1)

Advantages:
None

Offense:
Unarmed +0 (+1 Damage, DC 16)
Initiative +0

Defenses:
Dodge +0 (DC 10), Parry +0 (DC 10), Toughness +0, Fortitude +0, Will +2

Complications:
Relationship (Family)- Pete is a bossy dad who rules P.J. with an iron fist. All of P.J.'s decisions are made through the spectre of his overbearing father. His mother is more loving, and his sister more annoying.

Total: Abilities: 4 / Skills: 8--4 / Advantages: 0 / Powers: 0 / Defenses: 2 (10)

-P.J. was kind of a loser, and hung around with Max as his new best friend/next-door neighbor. A Goofy Movie portrays him as a pretty pathetic kid who repeatedly wants to back out of the "Powerline" stunt at school (since it was using Pete's camera), then moping about how much trouble he's going to get into. We see him later "loafing around" by doing all of the cleaning in Pete's uber-trailer, getting bossed around by his dad again (Pete hollers P.J.'s name, getting him to run up to the roof of the trailer and knock down a bowling pin to give Pete a strike... it was a big trailer). In the later movie he's more of a generic buddy, but actually gets the ranking hot chick of that film (since Max is oddly single the whole time)- hooking up with the character known as "Beret Girl"- a sexy poetry chick.

About the Performer: Reprising his role from Goof Troop is Voice Acting stalwart Rob Paulsen, known for... pretty much everything. He goes back far enough to be one of the original Ninja Turtles (Raphael), and continued on long enough to be... one of the Ninja Turtles again (Donatello). His distinct, nasal, high-pitches peaking voice is instantly recognizable, but can be twisted in enough ways to make different characters, so you're left going "Oh YEAH" when you realize that Yakko Warner and Pinky the mouse were voiced by the same guy. Criminy, he's an even bigger part of my childhood than I thought- he was both Saber Rider AND Jesse Blue on Saber Rider and the Star Sheriffs! And Snow Job on G.I. Joe! Pretty much every cartoon going has him on the roster SOMEWHERE- you are gonna find very, VERY few people with as many notches on IMDB as this guy. He even has a podcast devoted to voice acting, in which he uses his regular speaking voice (fairly similar to his Raphael voice).
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Bobby

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"SMOKE-AGE!! OW-OW-OW-OW-OOOOOOOOOOOOOHHH!"

BOBBY (Robert Zimmuruski)
Played By:
Pauly Shore
Role: Funny Friend, Weird Friend, Celebrity Stunt-Casting
PL 2 (16)
STRENGTH
0 STAMINA 1 AGILITY 2
FIGHTING 0 DEXTERITY 0
INTELLIGENCE 0 AWARENESS -1 PRESENCE 1

Skills:
Athletics 2 (+2)
Expertise (Extreme Sports) 3 (+5)
Expertise (Science) 2 (+2)
Perception 2 (+1)
Technology 3 (+3)

Advantages:
None

Offense:
Unarmed +0 (+0 Damage, DC 15)
Initiative +2

Defenses:
Dodge +2 (DC 12), Parry +1 (DC 11), Toughness +1, Fortitude +1, Will +2

Complications:
Relationship (Max, P.J.)- Bobby's pals are basically the only people he's seen talking to.

Total: Abilities: 6 / Skills: 12--6 / Advantages: 0 / Powers: 0 / Defenses: 4 (16)

-Bobby could have been a DISASTROUS character- played by Pauly Shore (who was already going from "trendy comic actor" to "living joke" with record time- I have no memory of him ever being "cool") in a case of Celebrity Stunt-Casting, he was played up in one of the trailer's as Max's best friend, and quoted a ton of hammy dialogue full of howling, adding "-age" to every word, etc. Basically, the chances of this coming across as anything other than horribly annoying and cloying were nil. But... Bobby was just a minor character. He's in maybe the first ten minutes, has a handful of lines, and then disappears from the film as it switches to Max & Goofy's story (Pete & P.J. get a couple other scenes). So Bobby never comes across as that bad. It's actually kind of funny in retrospect, as I would bet money that he's only in this to get some "Trailer Advertising" on the "Pauly Shore" brand, as he was ALL OVER the trailers, howling and saying "slurp-age" and stuff.

-In An Extremely Goofy Movie, he has a bigger part, but is still used sparingly, and isn't really treated as cool (he gets bullied, same as the others). Here, he has a buzzcut instead of a flowing mohawk (fitting more the time period), and generally says "Pauly Shore" stuff... to crickets, as both his friends and people they meet find him cloying and a bit of a nuisance. It's actually a pretty clever use of what could have been an awful "Cool Guy" character. Plus, he gets the hilarious scene when he contemplates his hands (like a total stoner) and points out something that I always forget about: "Do you ever wonder, like... why we're all wearing GLOVES?".

About the Performer: It's hard to imagine an era in which Pauly Shore WASN'T a punchline to "lame humor", but apparently there was. Shore was a comedian who got hired as an MTV "VJ", becoming an iconic part of early '90s youth, using topical "surfer slang" (what would later be referred to as "Dudespeak" or "Dudebro" stuff) and numerous catchphrases, like "Hey, BUUUUUUU-DDY", often "in character" as "the Weasel". Starring on MTV between 1989 and 1994, he even had his own show (Canada got none of this), and he even got his own FILMS, starring in 1992's Encino Man (with a young Brendon Fraser). The relative success of this film led to a SLEW of other work... but disastrous reviews and falling audiences soon murdered his career. What was popular and funny in 1992 turned out to be "LOL, why are we watching this shit?" in 1995, with bombs like Jury Duty and Bio-Dome making Pauly Shore the mid-90s equivalent of Rob Schneider today.

-The backlash against Shore was very pronounced- dreadful reviews and poor box office, combined with a failed 1997 sitcom, made him a laughing stock. Basically... like Schneider without any powerful friends. To the point where jokes about Shore became common, and people would later treat him like some especially dated part of the '90s (like Futurama pointed out). A Goofy Movie, which banked a lot of trailer time on his Bobby character (as I pointed out; he certainly wasn't FEATURED much in it), was no doubt attempting to capitalize on his EARLY '90s success, but was largely stricken by the MIDDLE '90s backlash instead. Despite that, An Extremely Goofy Movie might be the last successful thing he was in- his post-90s work consists of a lot of Reality Shows and attempts at poking fun at himself.
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Re: Jab's Builds! (Scar! Bonkers! Pocahontas! A Goofy Movie!)

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Ya know, Ares, I think talking about this move was one of the first times we’d ever interacted. We’d both been on HeroChat for a while, but never really intersected until I wrote something in a Disney-related topic. I made mention of the Pete “My son RESPECTS me” quote, and how you could see the character’s point. You interjected with more or less the point here, about how Pete’s way was wrong, and I agreed- Pete is pretty clearly a huge jerk.
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Re: Jab's Builds! (Scar! Bonkers! Pocahontas! A Goofy Movie!)

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Jabroniville wrote: Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:19 am Ya know, Ares, I think talking about this move was one of the first times we’d ever interacted. We’d both been on HeroChat for a while, but never really intersected until I wrote something in a Disney-related topic. I made mention of the Pete “My son RESPECTS me” quote, and how you could see the character’s point. You interjected with more or less the point here, about how Pete’s way was wrong, and I agreed- Pete is pretty clearly a huge jerk.
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But yeah, I could never stand anyone trying to justify bad parenting, and it was a relief when you agreed. And there is a legitimate point that PJ is well behaved, BUUUUUUT that's like saying complementing a place on a low crime rate when any criminal offense results in death.
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Re: Jab's Builds! (Scar! Bonkers! Pocahontas! A Goofy Movie!)

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A fun anecdote about Pocahontas, by one of the animators:


Question
on the subject of the Pocahontas drawing.Was she one of the more difficult characters to animate?Shes so different then any of the other Disney girls

Answer

YES! She was the toughest character I’ve ever drawn/ animated. Obviously, she’s very beautiful and much more realistic than most Disney characters so along with that comes a much higher degree of drawing ability and knowledge of anatomy. True story: When Glen Keane was hand picking the animators he wanted to work with him (under him) on Pocahontas he had everyone interested submit a life drawing portfolio! Remember, these were not outside artists, these were animators that had worked at Disney for years- in most cases- and had not shown a portfolio since they got hired. I was one of those. It was unheard of, but no one questioned it because it was Glen. The best of the best- ever. Because she was so tough and was in nearly every shot of the film, Pochahontas had the largest animator crew ever- about 20 animators, counting Glen. (The average is 4-8 animators on a crew). Glen worked hard on that film because he had a system where he would throw some sketches of how he thought Pocy should look in each scene. Some key drawings that we could use as reference to go along with the live action reference that was already shot. They were gold and all looked beautiful and equally unattainable. I would not be lying to say that I would trace them off as well as I could and kept all his drawings for myself! (I know I’m not the only one that did that, we were expected to redraw them.) But here’s the thing, even after a year of drawing her, I still didn’t feel like I knew how to draw her. (Ironically, I think I draw her better now then then. I must have sunk in and I’m less tense about “being Glen”.) We had mountains of Glen’s model sheets and they would photocopy almost every scene he animated and pass those on to all of us Pocy animators for reference also. Even with all that, it just seemed even harder. The reason? Glen changed her from drawing to drawing and scene to scene. Not in a bad way, it always looked like her when he drew her, but he was the ONLY one that could draw her spot on from scene to scene. That character is still a marvel to me in that way. If you look at parts of the film, she looks so different from different angles, but the beauty of his drawing ability ties it all together and it just feels right. There will never be another like her.
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Roxanne

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Some SERIOUSLY good artists on DA are doing way-too-good art of a teenaged Disney character.

ROXANNE
Played By:
Kellie Martin
Role: The Girlfriend
PL 0 (4), PL 1 (4) Defenses
STRENGTH
-1 STAMINA 0 AGILITY 0
FIGHTING 0 DEXTERITY 0
INTELLIGENCE 0 AWARENESS 0 PRESENCE 1

Skills:
Expertise (Pop Culture) 2 (+2)
Perception 2 (+2)

Advantages:
None

Offense:
Unarmed +0 (-1 Damage, DC 14)
Initiative +0

Defenses:
Dodge +0 (DC 10), Parry +0 (DC 10), Toughness +0, Fortitude +0, Will +2

Complications:
Relationship (Max)- Roxanne liked him ever since she heard that laugh- "a-HYUK".
Relationship (Daddy)- Roxanne's father may be the type of image that boyfriends have nightmares about regarding potential Father-In-Laws, but she still loves him. The best moment is when he delightfully pats her on the head, only to turn and GROWL at Max while he's standing there!

Total: Abilities: 0 / Skills: 4--2 / Advantages: 0 / Powers: 0 / Defenses: 2 (4)

-Roxanne was a really wonderful design (P.S. I totally had the hots for her when I was 14 and watching this for the first time! I was so sad when I discovered she was too young-looking once I was in my 20s) all this considered- most High School things go with the tall, busty archetypes for "The Ranking Babe In School" characters, but Roxanne actually looks and feels like a real teenager (minus the dog-nose). She's short, nervous, innocent and cutesy, and is curvy instead of chesty, with big thighs and thick limbs overall, giving her a much younger and less sexpot-ish appearance. I loved her short scenes with Max, where she's constantly playing with her hair and looking nervous, or her going ga-ga over his Powerline routine. She's just as awkward and adorkable as Max is, which is why you not only INSTANTLY like her, but why she feels more real than any other "Geeky Guy Gets The Girl" cliched flick out there- you actually WANT to cheer for both of them.

-A really memorable character, which is why it sucked that she wasn't in the sequel. She DID, however, get an appearance in a single House of Mouse episode, going on a date with Max while the rest of the gang accidentally embarasses him. Ironically, he'd brought them in to prevent GOOFY from doing so, and of course it's GOOFY who realizes what's going on and ensures they have a nice, proper date without the clumsy interference of Mickey, Minnie, Donald & Daisy. Unfortunately, they couldn't use the nice voice Kellie Martin had, and went with the more high-pitched squeak of... Grey DeLisle? Princess freakin' AZULA was also Roxanne?

About the Performer: I have no idea who Kellie Martin is, and have never seen any of her stuff. She played a lot of minor roles in the '80s, I guess, and even got her own series in 1994, called Christy (??). She was on ER for a couple of years, but her career has mostly been bit parts and, currently, Hallmark & Lifetime movie roles. She is currently playing the title role in The Hailey Dean Mysteries.
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Jabroniville wrote: Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:21 amAbout the Performer: I have no idea who Kellie Martin is, and have never seen any of her stuff. She played a lot of minor roles in the '80s, I guess, and even got her own series in 1994, called Christy (??). She was on ER for a couple of years, but her career has mostly been bit parts and, currently, Hallmark & Lifetime movie roles. She is currently playing the title role in The Hailey Dean Mysteries.
Long before that, she was one of the leads on the groundbreaking ABC drama Life Goes On.
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