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Re: Magenta

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FuzzyBoots wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:17 pm
Sidious wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:49 pm
Jabroniville wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:23 pm Complications:
Involuntary Transformation (Magenta)- Frances has a separate identity whenever she uses her powers- the villainous Magenta.
I've noticed that DC tends to have this as a common complication for it's magnetic characters. I think the only ones not to have this to start is Cosmic Boy and Braalians. I think they were trying to play on the whole magnetic poles equating to polar opposite personalities within a person.
It may also be tied with the almost mystic association of EEG tests and "brain activity" being a matter of electricity. Thus, someone who was manipulating magnetic forces would be also affecting their brains. There's another technology... something involving PET scan technology, that explicitly uses magnetic forces to manipulate brain signals, with everything from lab experiments where they've induced religious ecstasy in subjects (basically, there's a part of the brain which, in most people, produces a sense of a presence of a higher being, leading to debates as to whether this supports atheism, that the "presence of God" is a brain glitch, or supports religion, in that obviously there's something out there that we can sense when our brain is aligned right) to a number of snake oil products that claim to use this technology to induce meditative states at home.
thats mostly because they forget the basic principle that dogs cant run an MRI but cats can :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Golden Eagle

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GOLDEN EAGLE (Charley Parker)
Created By:
Cary Bates & Dick Dillin
First Appearance: Justice League of America #116 (March 1975)
Role: Forgotten Character, Kid Sidekick
Group Affiliations: Titans West
PL 7 (76)
STRENGTH
2 STAMINA 3 AGILITY 4
FIGHTING 7 DEXTERITY 4
INTELLIGENCE 0 AWARENESS 1 PRESENCE 2

Skills:
Deception 3 (+5)
Expertise (Surfer) 2 (+6)
Expertise (Drug Runner) 4 (+4)
Perception 3 (+4)

Advantages:
Evasion, Move-By Action, Rangd Attack 2

Powers:
"Golden Eagle Armour" (Flaws: Removable) [11]
Flight 6 (120 mph) (Flaws: Winged) (6)
Protection 3 (3)
"Claws" Strength-Damage +2 (2)
Senses 2 (Low-light & Extended Vision) (2)
-- (13 points)

Offense:
Unarmed +7 (+2 Damage, DC 17)
Claws +7 (+4 Damage, DC 19)
Initiative +4

Defenses:
Dodge +8 (DC 18), Parry +8 (DC 18), Toughness +3 (+6 Armour), Fortitude +5, Will +3

Complications:
Reputation (Slacker)- Charley isn't one to put much of an effort into anything.
Motivation (Money)- Charley attempts to sell his services for cash.

Total: Abilities: 46 / Skills: 12--6 / Advantages: 4 / Powers: 11 / Defenses: 9 (76)

-Charley Parker has an odd origin- he debuted in the Justice League book, having been given his powers mysteriously, after his homemade Hawkman costume suddenly became the real thing! The JLA investigated when he began foiling crimes, and it was determined that Hawkman's foe, the Matter Master, had subconsciously created "another Hawkman" for him to fight, because Katar Hol at this point had returned to Thanagar- the Master wished to face his nemesis SO MUCH that he accidentally recreated him. Parker was de-powered at the end of the story, and disappeared.

-As a one-off joke, he reappeared once more in JLA, and then again in Teen Titans, acting as a member of the offshoot team Titans West, which was even then kind of a gag. He was bounced into a slacker-concept guy who had unrevealed origins to his suit of armor Post-Crisis, and tried to charge people for his services. He was such a do-nothing nobody that Wolfman casually offed him in the Titans Hunt storyline (at the hands of a Wildebeest Society member), stating for the record that the character sucked and nobody cared that he died. And such was his fate, a forgotten joke character, until he was revived in 2005's Hawkman series as a new recurring villain. So yeah, just about anybody, no matter how lame, can be sort of saved. Except the Sentry. F*ck that guy.

-This version of Parker was Ch'al Andar, the son of the evil Hawkman Fel Andar- he ended up on Earth somehow, and was mentored by Carter "Hawkman" Hall for a time, but when Carter left for outer space, Charley became a slacker again, at which point they explain his "Titans West" stuff. He still died during the "Titans Hunt"... except he returned to life thanks to the Nth Metal in his costume, then tried to replace Hawkman when he was thought dead. When Kendra "Hawkgirl" Sanders rejected his sexual advances, he attacked her, but was beaten by Carter, who was feigning death. His origins were thus revealed, and his ultimate plan (to kill Hawkman) was foiled.

-Ch'al was pardoned on Thanagar, and recruited into the Rann-Thanagar War, with a cybernetic eyepatch (Hall's beating had left him half-blind). Fel Andar was killed during the same conflict. He was later defeated by a Space Pirate Queen and forced to become her sex slave (!!!), allowing him to leave only when she finds a planet to call her own.

-A minor Flyboy character, Golden Eagle was a low-end superhero through-and-through, never really beating anybody. In the Post-Crisis Era, he was revealed to be an ex-Drug Runner who was given a second lease on life by Hawkman, so I gave him some extra Skill for that. He's a pretty terrible fighter, only earning PL 7 on defense- not even making a full PL 6 on offense!

GOLDEN EAGLE (Ch'al Andar, aka Charley Parker)
Created By:
Cary Bates & Dick Dillin
First Appearance: Justice League of America #116 (March 1975)
Role: Forgotten Character, Kid Sidekick
Group Affiliations: Titans West
PL 9 (90)
STRENGTH
2 STAMINA 3 AGILITY 4
FIGHTING 11 DEXTERITY 4
INTELLIGENCE 0 AWARENESS 1 PRESENCE 2

Skills:
Deception 3 (+5)
Expertise (Surfer) 2 (+6)
Expertise (Drug Runner) 4 (+4)
Expertise (Space Villain) 4 (+4)
Perception 3 (+4)

Advantages:
Evasion, Move-By Action, Rangd Attack 2

Powers:
"Golden Eagle Armour" (Flaws: Removable) [11]
Flight 6 (120 mph) (Flaws: Winged) (6)
Protection 3 (3)
"Claws" Strength-Damage +2 (2)
Senses 2 (Low-light & Extended Vision) (2)
-- (13 points)

Offense:
Unarmed +11 (+2 Damage, DC 17)
Claws +11 (+4 Damage, DC 19)
Initiative +4

Defenses:
Dodge +11 (DC 21), Parry +11 (DC 21), Toughness +3 (+6 Armour), Fortitude +5, Will +5

Complications:
Reputation (Slacker)- Charley isn't one to put much of an effort into anything.
Motivation (Money)- Charley attempts to sell his services for cash.
Secret (Evil Thanagarian)- Charley is actually Ch'al Andar, the son of Fel Andar, and he despises Hawkman for fighting his father.

Total: Abilities: 54 / Skills: 16--8 / Advantages: 4 / Powers: 11 / Defenses: 13 (90)

-As Ch'al Andar, Parker is a bit more fight-y, being able to take on Hawkgirl decently enough, before settling into jobber-dom. Here, he's PL 7.5 on offense & PL 8.5 on defense.
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Re: Jab’s Builds (DONNA TROY!!!! Tempest! Hawk & Dove! The Flash!)

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Cary Bates has indicated in interviews that he had more plans for Charley in Justice League of America that went unrealized since he was the book was turned over to Elliot S! Maggin with #117.

Bob Rozakis had said in interviews that he did have long term plans for the Titans East / Titans West and was trying to include as many of DC's extant young heroes as he could (hence including Charley at all). But since Teen Titans vol. 1 was cancelled at #53, right after the introduction of Titans West, again things went unrealized.

One gets the sensation that George had more love of the old Teen Titans than Marv did. Marv had actually worked on the old Teen Titans book with his then writing partner (and later NTT editor Len Wein) briefly. They introduced Starfire (ne Red Star) in #18. And then they wrote #20, which was written, drawn, inked, and... a suit upstairs at DC got wind of the story, and kiboshed it. It was too "controversial"; it involved inner-city black youth, and a black super hero ally. Neal Adams salvaged it the story, making it tie into some other Titans subplots, and making the black characters white. But, Marv and Len were black listed from DC for a time. More on that whole mess here.

George, on the other hand, has shared some of his amateur work on a "Teen Titans" project from his youth sometime prior to the Rozakis era. It included a LOT of Titans. It was George who wrote Secret Origins Annual #3, and tried to explain away what was and wasn't canon post-Crisis. And he came up with these snazzy visual designs for Bette, Charley, and even Mal. But yeah, no one really cared. And the snazzy designs just meant Flamebird and Golden Eagle looked good, while they sucked.
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Re: Jab’s Builds (DONNA TROY!!!! Tempest! Hawk & Dove! The Flash!)

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The Dove from the new Titan's series is blazing hot.
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Re: Jab’s Builds (DONNA TROY!!!! Tempest! Hawk & Dove! The Flash!)

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Yes, though Minka Kelly is almost two decades past the "teen" appellation.

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Arsenal

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ARSENAL (Roy Harper, aka Speedy, Red Arrow)
Created by:
Mort Weisinger & Paul Norris
First Appearance: More Fun Comics #73 (Nov. 1941), New Titans #99 (July 1993- as Arsenal)
Role: Bad Boy, Recovering Addict, Archer Hero
Group Affiliations: The Teen Titans (Allies)
PL 10 (154)
STRENGTH
3 STAMINA 4 AGILITY 6
FIGHTING 12 DEXTERITY 6
INTELLIGENCE 1 AWARENESS 2 PRESENCE 4

Skills:
Acrobatics 6 (+12)
Athletics 8 (+11)
Deception 2 (+6, +8 Attractive)
Expertise (Special Agent) 7 (+8)
Expertise (Drug User/Fighter) 8 (+9)
Expertise (Navajo Brave) 4 (+6)
Insight 4 (+6)
Intimidation 1 (+5)
Investigation 5 (+7)
Perception 8 (+10)
Persuasion 2 (+6, +8 Attractive)
Ranged Combat (Bow & Arrow) 2 (+15)
Technology 4 (+5)
Vehicles 1 (+7)

Advantages:
Accurate Attack, Agile Feint, Attractive, Beginner's Luck, Daze (Deception), Equipment 6 (Arsenal, Motorbike & Stuff), Improved Aim, Improved Critical (Bow) 2, Improved Critical (Guns), Improved Defense, Improved Disarm, Improved Smash, Languages (English, Navajo, Probably Some Other Stuff), Precise Attack (Ranged/Cover), Quick Draw, Ranged Attack 7, Seize Initiative, Set-Up, Teamwork, Uncanny Dodge, Ultimate Aim

Equipment:
"Paired Guns" Blast 6 (Extras: Multiattack) (18) -- (21)
  • AE: "Crossbow" Blast 5 (Extras: Penetrating) (15)
  • AE: "Bow & Arrow" Blast 4 (Extras: Multiattack) (12)
  • AE: "Thrown Marbles" Blast 3 (Feats: Ricochet 2) (8)
Offense:
Unarmed +12 (+3 Damage, DC 18)
Thrown Marbles +13 (+3 Ranged Damage, DC 18)
Bow & Arrow +15 (+4 Ranged Damage, DC 19)
Crossbow +15 (+5 Ranged Damage, DC 20)
Guns +13 (+6 Ranged Damage, DC 21)
Initiative +6

Defenses:
Dodge +13 (DC 23), Parry +12 (DC 22), Toughness +4, Fortitude +5, Will +8

Complications:
Relationship (Lian Harper)- Roy is/was utterly devoted to his daughter Lian, and he soon started blurting out "Lian's in there!!" every time some sort of threat came upon Titans Tower or another Titan. He actively played the protective single-dad thing.
Relationship (Cheshire)- Roy's brief hook-up with the evil assassin years before has resulted in the birth of a daughter. Though Roy is often infatuated or obsessed with his Asian Baby Mama, he definitely understands that she is an evil person. He will not resist her being sent to prison, but he will fight to save her life, if necessary. If only because she is the mother of his child.
Relationship (Green Arrow)- Ollie became Roy's caregiver once his adoptive father died. However, the two often quarrel, as despite Ollie's attempt at being The Hero For The Little Guy, he was often a forgetful, distant and neglectful father-figure. A lack of supervision or care in his life is what led Roy down his dark path.
Relationship (Black Canary)- When Ollie discovered Roy was using heroin, he beat the crap out of his ex-sidekick, and threw him out onto the street. It was Dinah who took care of Roy, observing him as he went through a horrible withdrawal process.
Addiction (Heroin)- When Roy was in a particularly dark place in his life (The Titans had split up, and Ollie had grown distant), he turned to partying for some solace, and hooked up with some bad apples. He soon became addicted to heroin, only breaking it when Dinah Lance made him go cold-turkey. He still feels the occasional twinge, and has since become an obsessive anti-drug crusader.
Motivation (Fighting Drug Addiction)- Roy has used his brush with drugs to become a devoted opponent of drugs. He is a DEA Agent, and has gone on speaking tours in the past to teach children about the dangers of drug addiction.
Reputation (Bad Boy)- Though Roy's flirtation with heroin was brief, he consistently puts off the appearance and act of being a bad boy. Most of this is intentional, but it often makes even the girls he authentically likes realize that he's not "Relationship Material".
Relationship (Donna Troy)- A childhood flirtation turned into something much more in more-recent times, with bad-boy Roy being the go-to guy for a disenchanted, identity-seeking Donna to slum around with. Though Donna remains fond of Roy, she broke up with him because she was never in love with him- by contrast, Roy is extremely devoted to her ("What can I say? I love that woman.")

Total: Abilities: 76 / Skills: 62--31 / Advantages: 33 / Powers: 0 / Defenses: 14 (154)

Roy Harper- Robin Rip-Off to DC's Bad Boy Superhero:
-Roy Harper started off as basically a Robin Rip-Off, to go with the fact that Green Arrow himself was basically a Batman Rip-Off (living in an Arrowcave, driving an Arrowcar, etc.) way back in the Golden Age. He got to join The Seven Soldiers of Victory and all sorts of stuff, and despite being from a different company from most of the major DC characters (The JSA was comprised of characters from two different companies, at first, but they soon merged), Green Arrow & Speedy got to survive all the way to the modern age, lasting even through the Comics Bust of the 1950s! Published straight through that time, the Earth-1 Speedy was basically the same as the first, but got to join the Teen Titans after their first batch of appearances.

-Speedy was pretty well forgettable and forgotten, however, until that famous "Green Arrow/Green Lantern" story featured him as a strung-out junkie. Funnily enough, despite being ultra-famous an influential, it was poor-selling, and so the book was cancelled in its creative prime. He went through a one-issue withdrawal process (it's a LOT worse for most people), but it's since been the single event most-associated with Speedy as a character- his name is just an unfortunate gag attached to it (I mean... a guy named SPEEDY is a junkie?!). This led to a TON of brutally-told stories about the horrors of addiction and things like that, which actually had some fans writing in and COMPLAINING because comics were "supposed to be escapist entertainment" and dealing with such real subjects were outside of their bounds. Wild, huh?

Roy Harper- Titan:
-Roy would briefly co-exist with the New Titans again, despite not being part of the Wolfman/Perez team. In these issues, Roy was revealed to be an ex-lover of Cheshire's, and actually THE FATHER OF HER DAUGHTER, making him on of the VERY few super-heroes who actually successfully bred with someone. Aaaaaaaand he's also kind of a reason why most writers DON'T have their heroes breed, as Lian became a constant source of angst for him, not to mention an easy crutch for every writer ("Oh no! Lian's with her!") who wanted to show a random crisis. And OTHER writers basically had to write AROUND Lian, as Roy couldnt just disappear for weeks on end the way MOST heroes do, because there was a kid in the picture.

-Roy has actually been a bigger character here-and-there, going from very rare appearances in Teen Titans stuff (including their famous "Anti-Drug Issue") to a run as a Titans Leader (in a poorly-received mid-90s run with Kyle Rayner, Supergirl & others), a Limited Series and more- Devin Grayson really took a shine to the character, using him as a kind of Super-Hawt Bad-Boy Bad-Ass Extraordinaire, and he was actually good for a period of time. He finally dropped the stupid "Speedy" name and became "Arsenal", and was on a solid enough level that he basically escaped Green Arrow's shadow (Ollie was basically NEVER really involved with Roy after the '70s to a large extent) and became his own character- it didn't hurt that Ollie was dead for a good chunk of time. He was the leader of The Outsiders for a while, but I found that to be a GOD-AWFUL book. He got an upgrade when he dropped "Arsenal" and became "Red Arrow" at last (matching his Kingdom Come appearance), and joined the Justice League incarnation under Dwayne McDuffie & Ed Benes. Darker times would be ahead, though...

-Wouldn't ya know it, but James Robinson had to actually bite the bullet and KILL LIAN, thus turning Roy into a super-junkie again because he was depressed. This was... RATHER CONTROVERSIAL, and let's leave it at that- it both regressed Roy and used yet another example of Refrigerator Stuffing (something that affected MANY Titans) to demolish the supporting cast of books. He went a bit crazy, became a super-martial-artist, and then ended up in the Nu52, leading a new team of Outsiders.

-I REALLY don't see the whole "Donna & Roy- Meant To Be" thing that DC’s been pushing for ages, though. And as soon as I come up with an explanation beyond "She's nice and my waifu and Roy is a bad boy and that sucks", I’ll let you know :).

Roy's Stats:
-Roy is a very good fighter overall, making PL 10 with the use of a Bow & Arrow or a Crossbow (both elements of his Arsenal design, though he is often scene with double Semi-Automatic Pistols), but he's lacking a bit defensively. In most stories, he fits in quite well as the lower-powered guy on a Titans or Justice League squad, and is probably just as good overall as Oliver Queen is (if a bit lacking as a solo combatant- he's always been a Team Guy, while Ollie fought solo or with a single partner more often). As a Team Player though, he definitely excels, and like most Non-Powered Guys, he's got a ton of Skills & Advantages to back him up.

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SPEEDY (Roy Harper)- 1980s Version
Created by:
Mort Weisinger & Paul Norris
First Appearance: More Fun Comics #73 (Nov. 1941), New Titans #99 (July 1993- as Arsenal)
Role: Back-Up Characters
Group Affiliations: The Teen Titans (Allies)
PL 9 (148)
STRENGTH
2 STAMINA 4 AGILITY 6
FIGHTING 11 DEXTERITY 6
INTELLIGENCE 1 AWARENESS 2 PRESENCE 3

Skills:
Acrobatics 6 (+12)
Athletics 8 (+11)
Deception 2 (+5, +7 Attractive)
Expertise (Special Agent) 5 (+6)
Expertise (Drug User/Fighter) 8 (+9)
Expertise (Navajo Brave) 4 (+6)
Insight 4 (+6)
Intimidation 1 (+4)
Investigation 5 (+7)
Perception 8 (+10)
Persuasion 1 (+4, +6 Attractive)
Ranged Combat (Bow & Arrow) 2 (+14)
Technology 4 (+5)

Advantages:
Accurate Attack, Agile Feint, Attractive, Equipment 1 (Solo Hero Gear), Improved Aim, Improved Critical (Bow) 2, Improved Defense, Improved Disarm, Improved Smash, Languages (English, Navajo, Probably Some Other Stuff), Precise Attack (Ranged/Cover), Quick Draw, Ranged Attack 6, Seize Initiative, Set-Up, Teamwork, Ultimate Aim

Powers:
"Trick Arrows" (Flaws: Easily Removable) [14]
"Explosive Arrow" Blast 6 (Extras: Area- 30ft. Burst) (18) -- (23 points)
  • AE: "Regular Arrows" Blast 4 (Feats: Split 2) (10)
  • AE: "Smoke Arrow" Concealment (Visuals) 2 (Extras: Area- 30ft. Cloud +2) (8)
  • AE: "Rope Arrow" Snare 6 (Inaccurate -1) (17)
  • AE: Movement 1 (Swinging) (2)
  • AE: "Flash Arrow" Dazzle Visuals 6 (12)
Offense:
Unarmed +11 (+3 Damage, DC 18)
Bow & Arrow +14 (+4 Ranged Damage, DC 19)
Explosive Arrow +6 Area (+6 Ranged Damage, DC 21)
Rope Arrow +12 (+6 Ranged Affliction, DC 16)
Initiative +6

Defenses:
Dodge +12 (DC 22), Parry +11 (DC 21), Toughness +4, Fortitude +5, Will +7

Complications:
Relationship (Lian Harper)- Roy is/was utterly devoted to his daughter Lian, and he soon started blurting out "Lian's in there!!" every time some sort of threat came upon Titans Tower or another Titan. He actively played the protective single-dad thing.
Relationship (Cheshire)- Roy's brief hook-up with the evil assassin years before has resulted in the birth of a daughter. Though Roy is often infatuated or obsessed with his Asian Baby Mama, he definitely understands that she is an evil person. He will not resist her being sent to prison, but he will fight to save her life, if necessary. If only because she is the mother of his child.
Relationship (Green Arrow)- Ollie became Roy's caregiver once his adoptive father died. However, the two often quarrel, as despite Ollie's attempt at being The Hero For The Little Guy, he was often a forgetful, distant and neglectful father-figure. A lack of supervision or care in his life is what led Roy down his dark path.
Relationship (Black Canary)- When Ollie discovered Roy was using heroin, he beat the crap out of his ex-sidekick, and threw him out onto the street. It was Dinah who took care of Roy, observing him as he went through a horrible withdrawal process.
Addiction (Heroin)- When Roy was in a particularly dark place in his life (The Titans had split up, and Ollie had grown distant), he turned to partying for some solace, and hooked up with some bad apples. He soon became addicted to heroin, only breaking it when Dinah Lance made him go cold-turkey. He still feels the occasional twinge, and has since become an obsessive anti-drug crusader.
Motivation (Fighting Drug Addiction)- Roy has used his brush with drugs to become a devoted opponent of drugs. He is a DEA Agent, and has gone on speaking tours in the past to teach children about the dangers of drug addiction.
Reputation (Bad Boy)- Though Roy's flirtation with heroin was brief, he consistently puts off the appearance and act of being a bad boy. Most of this is intentional, but it often makes even the girls he authentically likes realize that he's not "Relationship Material".

Total: Abilities: 70 / Skills: 58--29 / Advantages: 23 / Powers: 14 / Defenses: 12 (148)

-Roy Harper in the 1980s was a generally-solid Trick Arrow guy (using Powers instead of generic Equipment now), but a bit lower than his Titans partners, who'd mostly hit PL 10 by this point.

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SPEEDY (Roy Harper)- 1940s Version
Created by:
Mort Weisinger & Paul Norris
First Appearance: More Fun Comics #73 (Nov. 1941), New Titans #99 (July 1993- as Arsenal)
Role: Back-Up Characters
Group Affiliations: The Teen Titans (Allies)
PL 7 (98)
STRENGTH
1 STAMINA 2 AGILITY 4
FIGHTING 8 DEXTERITY 5
INTELLIGENCE 0 AWARENESS 1 PRESENCE 2

Skills:
Acrobatics 6 (+10)
Athletics 7 (+8)
Deception 2 (+4)
Expertise (Navajo Brave) 4 (+4)
Insight 1 (+2)
Investigation 2 (+3)
Perception 6 (+7)
Ranged Combat (Bow & Arrow) 2 (+10)

Advantages:
Equipment 1 (Solo Hero Gear), Improved Aim, Improved Critical (Bow), Improved Defense, Improved Disarm, Ranged Attack 3, Set-Up

Powers:
"Trick Arrows" (Flaws: Easily Removable) [14]
"Explosive Arrow" Blast 6 (Extras: Area- 30ft. Burst) (18) -- (23 points)
  • AE: "Regular Arrows" Blast 4 (Feats: Split 2) (10)
  • AE: "Smoke Arrow" Concealment (Visuals) 2 (Extras: Area- 30ft. Cloud +2) (8)
  • AE: "Rope Arrow" Snare 6 (Inaccurate -1) (17)
  • AE: Movement 1 (Swinging) (2)
  • AE: "Flash Arrow" Dazzle Visuals 6 (12)
Offense:
Unarmed +8 (+1 Damage, DC 16)
Bow & Arrow +10 (+4 Ranged Damage, DC 19)
Explosive Arrow +6 Area (+6 Ranged Damage, DC 21)
Rope Arrow +8 (+6 Ranged Affliction, DC 16)
Initiative +4

Defenses:
Dodge +11 (DC 21), Parry +10 (DC 20), Toughness +2, Fortitude +3, Will +5

Complications:
Relationship (Green Arrow)- Ollie became Roy's caregiver once his adoptive father died. However, the two often quarrel, as despite Ollie's attempt at being The Hero For The Little Guy, he was often a forgetful, distant and neglectful father-figure.

Total: Abilities: 46 / Skills: 30--15 / Advantages: 9 / Powers: 14 / Defenses: 14 (98)

-Roy as a rookie Sidekick with Green Arrow loses stats across the board, fitting a rather cheap, low-key Archer-type hero, but he's not really threatening to any individual characters yet.
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Re: Jab’s Builds (Tempest! Hawk & Dove! The Flash! Magenta! Arsenal!)

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I still remember reading about just how dumb Cry for Justice and The Rise of Arsenal were.
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Protector

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PROTECTOR (Jason Hart)
Created By:
Marv Wolfman & George Perez
First Appearance: The New Teen Titans Anti-Drug Special #1 (Jan. 1983)
Role: Replacement Character
Group Affiliations: The Teen Titans (ally)
PL 5 (89)
STRENGTH
2 STAMINA 2 AGILITY 4
FIGHTING 6 DEXTERITY 4
INTELLIGENCE 3 AWARENESS 3 PRESENCE 3

Skills:
Acrobatics 3 (+7)
Athletics 5 (+7)
Close Combat (Unarmed) 2 (+8)
Deception 6 (+9)
Expertise (Drug Fighter) 5 (+8)
Insight 2 (+5)
Investigation 3 (+6)
Perception 3 (+6)
Persuasion 2 (+5)
Stealth 2 (+6)
Vehicles 3 (+7)

Advantages:
Defensive Attack, Equipment 1 (Swingline & Stuff), Fast Grab, Improved Disarm, Ranged Attack, Skill Mastery (Drug Fighter), Takedown

Offense:
Unarmed +8 (+2 Damage, DC 17)
Initiative +4

Defenses:
Dodge +8 (DC 18), Parry +8 (DC 18), Toughness +2, Fortitude +4, Will +5

Complications:
Motivation (The War on Drugs)

Total: Abilities: 54 / Skills: 36--18 / Advantages: 7 / Powers: 0 / Defenses: 10 (89)

-Oh, Protector. Created because of some copywrite snafu, he was basically a recoloured Robin. See, Robin was linked via Batman to a deal to sell Nabisco products, so when rival company Keebler produced the Teen Titans Anti-Drug issue, they couldn't use Robin in the story any more! And, since they'd already DRAWN IT, this meant rapidly editing out the character- this necessitated inventing a totally new guy, using the same template as Dick Grayson. I mean, they literally used white-out and ink over the existing artwork to turn Robin into "Protector", who had the same haircut and did all the standard "Robin" things- piloting the T-Jet, taking center-stage, etc. They also altered Starfire's costume a fair bit (though I didn't even notice until I saw someone point it out- they removed the Super-Cleavage Neckline.

-His status in the book is never mentioned- it's just a given that some guy named "Protector" is on the Teen Titans, helping out in their drug war. Protector was later given a quickie origin- he pretended to be a superhero to save his cousin from drugs, but ended up having to play the role for real, and ended up becoming an "honorary" Titan as a result. He did nothing except for that one Anti-Drug issue, as Wolfman & Perez pretty much just went "oh well". So this one-time joker is leading the team, giving orders, flying the T-Jet, all of it... and he's only appeared in joke books afterwards (like at a Titans L.A. recruiting party).

-The issue's not a bad one, though the druggie kids are SO goofy-looking that it almost becomes funny. I mean, the short, portly white kid with the red afro standing there, listing off his addictions like it's a Peer Counseling group meeting? Just too funny. I GUESS it's supposed to represent that "ANYONE can become a drug addict". Though the issue gets to be pretty hardcore with the depictions of what drugs do to some people, and the kids ARE probably a better representative of the comic's core audience at the time (12-14 year olds who aren't necessarily paragons of humanity). I also kind of liked the bit where Speedy pointed out that "WE can't help the kids. All we can do is show them the results, and HOPE they made the right choice".

-Some regular Teen Titans issues would more-or-less make the same point, showing a handful of runaway kids get killed in a drug war, a runaway girl get rejected AGAIN by her father (who'd kicked her out of the house for being "a little SLUT" who got knocked-up at 13), and at the very end, when the bad guys get caught... we see another couple kids get back into the life. It's like a pre-Wire version of The Wire.

-A VERY weak character, Protector is just a PL 5 version of what Nightwing or Jason Todd would've been without the Batman to guide them. He's not THAT bad per se, but let's just say that The Enforcers would probably kick his ass.
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Jabroniville wrote: Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:42 am -Roy Harper started off as basically a Robin Rip-Off, to go with the fact that Green Arrow himself was basically a Batman Rip-Off (living in an Arrowcave, driving an Arrowcar, etc.) way back in the Golden Age. He got to join The Seven Soldiers of Victory and all sorts of stuff, and despite being from a different company from most of the major DC characters (The JSA was comprised of characters from two different companies, at first, but they soon merged)
The major characters from the same company as Green Arrow and Speedy include Superman, Batman, Robin, Aquaman. The other company included Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, Hawkman & Hawkgirl, the Atom, and Black Canary. See here for a more exhaustive list.
Jabroniville wrote: Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:42 am-Speedy was pretty well forgettable and forgotten, however, until that famous "Green Arrow/Green Lantern" story featured him as a strung-out junkie. Funnily enough, despite being ultra-famous an influential, it was poor-selling, and so the book was cancelled in its creative prime. He went through a one-issue withdrawal process (it's a LOT worse for most people), but it's since been the single event most-associated with Speedy as a character- his name is just an unfortunate gag attached to it (I mean... a guy named SPEEDY is a junkie?!).
Oddly, Green Lantern #85 (the issue in question) came out the same month as Teen Titans #34. Speedy had been a steady presence in TT for 17 issues or so, and the book would run for another 9. No mention of Speedy's drug use occurred.
Jabroniville wrote: Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:42 am-I REALLY don't see the whole "Donna & Roy- Meant To Be" thing that DC’s been pushing for ages, though. And as soon as I come up with an explanation beyond "She's nice and my waifu and Roy is a bad boy and that sucks", I’ll let you know :).
By the time Roy joined the Titans, Green Arrow had lost his solo feature spots in books like Adventure and World's Finest. Speedy wasn't appearing anywhere else. This gave the writers on Titans, more creative leeway with Roy's personality than they had with Dick, Garth, or Wally, who still appeared in Batman, Detective, Aquaman, and Flash. And around this time the Titans gained a whole bunch of new, young writers who they rotated through. (One of them, Mike Friedrich, would be the one to write-out Aqualad; he'd go on and ignore Aquaman throughout his run on Justice League of America.) It was easy to make Roy the brash, skirt-chaser of the team.

And that's what Roy was, a skirt-chaser. Of course, the "skirt" most often around was Donna. Lilith was there, too, sometimes, but she when she started schtupping Gnarrk, chasing Lilith became ill-advised. Wally had a thing for Donna, too, but generally, Donna was more receptive to Roy. Although it was pretty clear they weren't going steady or 'exclusive'.

Time passes. As I said earlier, fans turn pros. People who were fans remember Roy and Donna together. And there's something wired in comic fans about figuring out who is "the one" for various characters. This why there are still Dick & Barbara shippers AND Dick & Kory shippers (thank God the Dick & Bette and Dick & Duela shippers don't seem to be around). So now it's easy, especially with the deaths of Lilian AND Terry and Robert, in their histories for people to say "why wouldn't they find comfort together?" while they scratch that nostalgic itch.

But really, back in the day, I never understood what Donna saw in Roy. Maybe under her bracelets are the trackmarks from where she was shooting up with him. Seriously, though, it always seemed odd. Then again, sometimes one got the feeling the classic Titans book could have been called Wonder Girl and her Harem.
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Jabroniville wrote: Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:43 am -Oh, Protector. Created because of some copywrite snafu, he was basically a recoloured Robin. See, Robin was linked via Batman to a deal to sell Nabisco products, so when rival company Keebler produced the Teen Titans Anti-Drug issue, they couldn't use Robin in the story any more! And, since they'd already DRAWN IT, this meant rapidly editing out the character- this necessitated inventing a totally new guy, using the same template as Dick Grayson. I mean, they literally used white-out and ink over the existing artwork to turn Robin into "Protector", who had the same haircut and did all the standard "Robin" things- piloting the T-Jet, taking center-stage, etc. They also altered Starfire's costume a fair bit (though I didn't even notice until I saw someone point it out- they removed the Super-Cleavage Neckline.

-Some regular Teen Titans issues would more-or-less make the same point, showing a handful of runaway kids get killed in a drug war, a runaway girl get rejected AGAIN by her father (who'd kicked her out of the house for being "a little SLUT" who got knocked-up at 13), and at the very end, when the bad guys get caught... we see another couple kids get back into the life.
It was the issues of New Teen Titans (#26-27) that handled the subject matter that led to all three of the of the anti-drug specials DC produced the following year. And the Protector was in all three of them.

Of course, it was the licensing issues between Nabisco and Keebler (and IBM and the combined soft-drink industry) that led to Marv and George wanting Dick to become Nightwing.
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Ken wrote: Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:36 pm Oddly, Green Lantern #85 (the issue in question) came out the same month as Teen Titans #34. Speedy had been a steady presence in TT for 17 issues or so, and the book would run for another 9. No mention of Speedy's drug use occurred.
With the caveat that I never actually read the issue in question, it's not uncommon at all in Real Life for drug addictions to be virtually invisible up until it all falls apart. Better Living Through Chemistry actually did a pretty decent job at that, I thought, both showing how the drug use helps even out the irregularities and also how unstable that equilibrium is and how fast things fall apart.
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Jabroniville wrote: Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:42 am Image

ARSENAL (Roy Harper, aka Speedy, Red Arrow)
So I've recently been reading "Heroes in Crisis".

Man! People love to off Titans don't they? Of course after reading some of their Nu52 stories.... it may be more of a mercy killing.

I love how the whole thing has really shaken Donna and Barry though. It's given them great development, even if comic deaths are never really permanent.
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FuzzyBoots wrote: Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:57 pm
Ken wrote: Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:36 pm Oddly, Green Lantern #85 (the issue in question) came out the same month as Teen Titans #34. Speedy had been a steady presence in TT for 17 issues or so, and the book would run for another 9. No mention of Speedy's drug use occurred.
With the caveat that I never actually read the issue in question, it's not uncommon at all in Real Life for drug addictions to be virtually invisible up until it all falls apart. Better Living Through Chemistry actually did a pretty decent job at that, I thought, both showing how the drug use helps even out the irregularities and also how unstable that equilibrium is and how fast things fall apart.
Good point. Honestly, the thought that Roy was (and Wally, and Donna, and Hank, and Don were all) using drugs during Teen Titans #25-33 is VERY easy to accept. In fact, it would explain a lot about those stories.
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Ken wrote: Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:06 pm
FuzzyBoots wrote: Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:57 pm
Ken wrote: Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:36 pm Oddly, Green Lantern #85 (the issue in question) came out the same month as Teen Titans #34. Speedy had been a steady presence in TT for 17 issues or so, and the book would run for another 9. No mention of Speedy's drug use occurred.
With the caveat that I never actually read the issue in question, it's not uncommon at all in Real Life for drug addictions to be virtually invisible up until it all falls apart. Better Living Through Chemistry actually did a pretty decent job at that, I thought, both showing how the drug use helps even out the irregularities and also how unstable that equilibrium is and how fast things fall apart.
Good point. Honestly, the thought that Roy was (and Wally, and Donna, and Hank, and Don were all) using drugs during Teen Titans #25-33 is VERY easy to accept. In fact, it would explain a lot about those stories.
That could be an interesting storyline. What would the hero community do if they found out an entire team of teen heroes had been using drugs together for a decent amount of time?
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In Fighting Game news, the proper gameplay reveal of Mortal Kombat 11 is happening, and a new character revealed:..and it's yet another ninja! This time, a buff dude named Geras who controls sand and fights like a mix of Jax and Tremor. (..yes, a sand ninja. Insert Gaara jokes here.)
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